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Being Interviewed by Claudia for the Yoga Podcast : Some clarifications

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Thank you to my dear friend and fellow blogger Claudia for choosing to interview me for her Yoga Podcast recently which was aired yesterday, follow the link below to her Blog which gives a kind and flattering backstory and introduction, had me blushing more than once.

The Yoga Podcast: Episode 2: Anthony 'Grim' Hall The Choose Yourself Yogi

 click here to start listening


I thought in this post I would provide an opportunity to clarify and perhaps expand on a anything that came up

First though, that picture (above)...

It was originally intended as a joke about how to find the time to practice my Ashtanga Vinyasa and keep up with my flute lessons but then turned into a semi serious exercise in playing long tones while in a posture to show up the quality of the breath.

see this post Chanting or playing the flute in Asana

Another thing Claudia mentioned is that I have 2,500,000 visitors to this blog, that's actually the number of hits, visits to the blog rather than individual visitors and 2,000,000 of those hits are probably from M. 

A large chunk of the rest are my going back again and again to re edit the posts and/or to try and decide if I still agreed with what I'd written an hour, week, year, later. 

Claudia has already interviewed some great practitioners and teachers, whose interviews are being transcribed and will be appearing on her Yoga Podcast page at regularly intervals (first up was David Keil).

In this episode David will charm you with his ability to buy x-ray yoga vision at Walmart, his million dollar secret for wrist pain, and the anatomy you need to know for a healthy practice, as well as his favorite book and that one thing that took him a long time to understand. Transcript here


I have to say I felt a bit embarrassed to be included in that company but Claudia and I are friends, fellow bloggers, and it's nice that she wanted to include a home practitioner in her interviews. 

Not all of us have the opportunity to go to a shala or studio or indeed to Mysore. 

Others, myself included, have perhaps little interested in practicing in a room with 80-100 bodies (or even 20 in a small ,tight room... although I have a soft spot for Rethymno). Nor necessarily see today's Mysore as any more or less a source of the practice than Boulder, Encinites...Rethymno or indeed our own home practice rooms and the texts themselves (primary sources?) Yoga Mala, Yoga Makaranda, Yogasanagalu, Yogas Sutras, Yogayajnavalkya....

Exploring, practicing, at home and breathing ones own air in this 'breathing practice' is a more than comfortable and satisfying experience. Nor are adjustments/assists (however skilled), being taken ever deeper into yet another asana to 'experience the  full expression' of a posture the only way to approach this practice. Home practitioners know this although would perhaps always welcome the subtle alignment suggestions of an experienced teacher, selfies at home only go so far. 

Many home practitioners are also exploring pranayama and meditation after their asana practice, the integrated approach Ramaswami and his, as well as Pattabhi Jois' own teacher, Krishnamacharya recommended. At home there is no rush to vacate mat space, nor the feeling one needs to follow 'shala rules' and/or stick to a sequence, an authorised, official practice (although some shalas are more flexible than others as well as being more or less hands on
At home we can cut our asana practice short and move straight to pranayama, chanting perhaps as manju suggests, meditatio, and at a time when we feel we are ready rather than when dogma dictates.

Shalas and experienced teachers can be wonderful but home practice is very much an option, one that most Ashtanga teachers themselves end up having to turn to as they getup for their own practice a couple of hours before opening their shalas. I hope the interview with Claudia conveys that home practice is an approach that is perfectly justifiable, satisfying, and once the routine and then discipline attained, can work. 

And of course there are always workshops (see Ashtanga workshop reviews ) although these too tend to be too often dictated by mercantile and promotional forces that give the impression that more and deeper backbends, more floating and more of whatever angle that seems to get attention and people in the door are what we really need to progress in our practice.

What we really need has always been right there on our mats with us, the space to follow the breath.


There's a full transcript of the interview here

Yoga Podcast Episode 2: Anthony Grim Hall

TRANSCRIPT

I'm tended to have comments turned off on the blog for much of the last year what with all the travelling and settling back into Japan ( I think it comes up that you need to be member of the blog team or something, some strange google thing I don't understand, there is no team) I'm turning them back on for this post so if there are any questions (especially as the sound occasionally wavers ) , would like clarifications or have me expand on anything that came up please let me know below. thank you again to Claudia, it was fun.




Anthony's Nudge - February 2015 Newsletter from Srivatsa Ramaswami

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From cold, very cold  New Jersey, warm Greetings! I am now trying to complete arrangements for teaching assignments for 2015. Firstly On Feruary 26th I will be giving a talk at Princeton University under the Yoga Master's Lecture Series  program. In March I am planning to travel to Mexico City to teach at Twamevayoga and another studio between 13th and 23rd. In May I will be travelling to UK (Harmony Yoga) to teach a certificate course in Vinyasakrama in London and then teach Bhagavatgita in Wells between May 10 to 28 . In early June( 12-19) I plan to go to Austin Texas (East Side Yoga) to teach mainly Yoga sutra and chant for a week and between 26th and 30 to Breathe at Los Gatos in California. From July 19 to Aug 23 ( 5 weeks) I will be teaching the 200 hr Teacher Training program at Loyola Marymount Uuniversity, Los Angeles. California. In September I should be going to Chicago Yoga Center for weeklong programs. I may also do some programs in Sanfransisco, Spain and Canada. I am also interested in just one 200 Teacher Training Program in india if it would be possible.
For more details please visit my website
www.vinyasakrama.com/Events

Anthony's Nudge
Anthony Hall is a well known blogger, practitioner, teacher, author and researcher of Yoga especially Sri Krishnamacharya's legacy. I reproduce his message I got soon after I had the Vairagya article published in my Jan 2015 Newsletter and then my observations.

Dear Ramaswami
I wanted to bring to your attention two comments in a blog post by Guy Donahaye, who authored with Eddie Stern the ' Guruji' book on Pattabhi Jois. http://yogamindmedicine.blogspot.jp/2015/01/vijnana-science-of-ashtanga-yoga-in.html I'm not expecting a personal response to these but just thought they might be something you may feel like addressing some time in the future.
Guy writes
"Krishnamacharya was a highly religious man, a member of the vaisnavara faith. He believed that in this age of Kali Yuga, the way to realization was only accessible through bhakti – religious devotion. He did not believe that people today were suited to the stages of non-attachment required for the higher levels of Patanjali Yoga."
He later writes
"I believe it was one of Krishnamacharya’s great achievements to re-integrate two paths of yoga which had apparently split off from each other – Patanjali Yoga and Hatha Yoga. But beyond this, the father of modern yoga leaves us with a meagre philosophical or spiritual legacy. Neither he nor his disciples – Guruji and BKS Iyengar put yoga on the map beyond its expression as asana and pranayama."
I wondered to what degree you might agree or disagree with either or both of these statements and might be attempted to address them directly or indirectly in future fb post or newsletter.
I notice that AG Mohan has listed works by Krishnamacharya (http://krishnamacharya.net/works) unfortunately few if any of the articles have been released ( are any in English I wonder) which perhaps gives the impression that Krishnamacharya was not contributing to Yoga Philosophy but concerned mainly with asana in his teaching despite both you, Mohan and Desikachar mentioning often that Krishnamacharya taught extended classes on Upanishad, Samkhya, the Gita ( i notice you'll be teaching 10 days on the Gina in the UK, such a shame I'm in Japan now) as well as Patanjali.
Regarding Guy's second comment above, i wondered if perhaps some time in the future you might address Krishnamacharya's relationship to Hatha yoga pradipka, it seems quite ambiguous at times, he seems to favour Yogayajnavalkya and is at times critical of HYP. Yoga survived for centuries without HYP, how important a text should we consider it i wonder, is it perhaps a distraction from Patanjali's teaching.
I hope you and your family are well
best wishes
Anthony
Mind Medicine: Vijnana - The Science of Ashtanga Yoga in the Kali Yuga
yogamindmedicine.blogspot.com

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Sometime in the late 70s I guess, Krihnamacharya Yoga Mandiram was started. As I had mentioned earlier I was one of the three founder trustees, the other two being Sri Desikachar himaself, the Managing Trustee and Sri Kuppuswamy, Desikachar's classmate. We all contributed some money for the corpus fund. I think Sri Krishnamacharya also gifted some money from his savings.
Sri Desikachar started, I think, a 2 year yoga program at the Mandiram and I was one of the first teachers, but it was for a very short period. I was also involved in the creation of the syllabus, some legal leg work for creating the trust. During the initial stgae one of Desikachar's friends asked Desikachar to write a series of articles for an almost a century year old Indian English magazine called Indian Review. He was very busy at that time and with the consent of his father he asked me if I could write the articles on behalf of the Krishnmacharya Yoga Mandiram. I started writing the articles. I would write in long hand. It would be given to Desikachar who after reading it would read it to his father at a time convenient to both of them. This arrangement worked well as both lived in the same house. If there were any suggestion of my Guru, Desikachar would convey it to me. I was the trustee for a few months only, so the articles bore my name as the trustee for the first few issues . First two issues I wrote about the Yoga Sutras and then decided to write about my Guru at the instance of the Editor of the magazine. I had known nothing at all, about my Guru, about his past-- where and what he studied and other details. Desikachar talked to his reluctant father and gave me some informaation. Based on that I wrote the article. The magazine published it under the caption "About Sri T Krishnamacharya, My Guru". It also contained a beautiful black and white photo of my Guru in Padmasana with straight body (rijukaya) head slightly bent and the palms together in perfect anjali mudra.

Well this article was read to him and so I may say that the information contained in it would be correct. In it I wrote as follows
" ....As a boy Sri Krishnamacharya's teacher was his father Srinivasa Tatacharya. a priest and a religious teacher who gave his son a thoroughly traditional education and had begun instructing him in the elements of yoga when his untimely passing away interrupted his deep study unfortunately. At the age of twelve therefore Sri Krishna made his way to Mysore City and there joined Mysore Maharaja Sanskrit College . At the same time he took up the study of Sanskrit grammar (Vyakarana)and logic (nyaya) under Krishna Brahmatantra , the Swami of Parakala Mutt and the Guru of the Maharaja.
After five years of study he wended his way to Kashi and continued his studies under the great scholars,Vamacharya Bhattacharya,Ganganatha Jha, and other well known scholar teachers of Indian philosophy in the early years of the century. In the next 15 years Krishnamacharya was awarded several degrees, including Samkhya Yoga Siromani, Mimamsa Tirtha, Nyayacharya, Vedanta Vageesa, , Nyaya Ratna and Veda Kesari from Universities as Kashi Hindu University, Allahabad, Calcutta, Baroda and Darbhanga Universities. "
These titles when translated sound very nice. Samkhya siromani would be crest-jewel of Samkhya. Mimamsa Tirta wuld be Master of Mimamsa philosophy. Nyayacharya would be The masterguide of Nyaya philosophy, Vedanta Vageesa would be Lord of exposition of Vedanta philosophy, Nyayaratna would be jewel of Nyaya philosophy, Veda Kesari would be Lion of the Vedas. I have heard that he was an excellent debator== in different languages especially Sanskrit-- of Vedic philosophies and equally highly respected religious expert.
My complete article referred to, can be accessed --thanks to my good friend, a senior student of Sri Desikacharar and a well known yoga teacher, Paul Harvey.
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http://www.yogastudies.org/wp-content/uploads/S_Ramaswami_About_TK.pdf

In the same article I had written about his Yoga studies which is well known. He taught not only asanas to his students and many people came to him to study the various texts. In fact after teaching me a wide range of asanas follwing the vinyasakrama consisting of hundreds of vinyasas built around scores of asanas he went on to teach several of the ancient texts he deemed necessary to teach us. Most people know of Krishnamacharya only as an asana exponent . Some even seem to suggest that his yoga system of vinyasas appear to be borrowed from western gymnastics. Unfortunately very little is known about his wide range of teachings and contributions. When I first started teaching in the West I was appalled by the complete lack of information about the comprehensiveness of his teachings and not restricted to  just asanas. It is still the impressions of long term yoga practitioners even of the Krishnamacharya lineage

I studied for over several years many of the spiritual texts with him. He taught in considerable detail the Yoga Sutras, word by word, sutra by sutra with and without the commentary of Vyasa. He taught the Samkhya Karika with Gaudapada's commentary, Samkhya is an excellent sibling philosophy which helps to understad the Yoga Sutras even better as several ideas in Yoga sutra that are taken for granted are succintly put across in Samkhya. He also taught several upanishad vidyas. He taught in detail upanishads like Prasna, Katha, Kena, Mundaka, Mandukya, Taittiriya, Kausitaki Brahmana, Svetaswara upanishads and several important vidyas from Brahadaranyaka and Chandogya. He taught the complete Bhagavad Gita. In fact he used to teach the Gita through public lectures every Saturday for many years and many attended his talks on Gita. After his passing away one day a young lady came with a box of audio cassetes. She told me that her father had attended Sri Krishnamacharya's lectures privately and her father had the Gita lectures taped. They were in Tamil and she asked me if I could transcribe it and translate into English. Unfortunately I found that it would take a lot of time so I did not undertake to do it. He also taught the Brahma sutras and several Vaishnava and Visishtadvaita texts. Perhaps there is no one else who excelled both in Hatayoga , especially the asanas on one hand and the Indian/vaidic philosophy on the other as eloquently as he did.

In my last newsletter I wrote about Vairagya, something the Sutras insist upon as a prime requirements for yogis. Patanjali however talks about two levels of vairagya, para the higher and apara the lower. In fact traditionally the apara vairagya itself has four steps whcih I had explained in that article on Vairagya. So Vairagya is a processs one develops over a time and starting from where the yogi is to begin with. Sri Krishnamacharya's view or rather advise would be to develop Vairagya gradually. Many people without the discipline try to practice extreme form of vairagya and tend to fail miserably. In Kali yoga there are more distractions and may we say temptations than the previous times which makes it more difficult to practice Vairagya. Even in the last 50 to 100 years there have come about many more distractions from the outside world, like TV, movies,smartphones, more luxuries, office work, loosening parental control. Further there is the peer pressure. When nobody around us seems to practice vairagya it becomes more difficult to practice vairagya, there are no role models as it used to be in olden days or in the previous yuga. Krishnamacharya would advise moderation in all enjoyments whether it be food or others.  He would say that one of the most alluring forms of vairagya is practising celibacy glorified in olden texts and by several religious systems including Hinduism. Sri Krishnamacharya would say that people who take the vow of sanyasa when young , without proper preparation and commit to life long celibacy, soon find that they are not upto the mark and are seen transgressing their vow of celibacy. It is common knowledge that many young men and women in many religions take to celbacy and not an inconsequential number of them bring disrepute to the asrama of celibacy, Brahmacharya. This kind of extreme vairagya Sri Krishnamacharya was against which is consistent wih the traits of his Vaishnavism. Control and not self abnegation is the rule. In Kaliyuga according to him extreme form of vairagya may not be possible for the majority of yogis even though there are glorious exceptions. In Kaliyuga he would advise striking a balance between complete celiacy on one hand and philandering on the other and would advise people to live a life of healthy control respecting the institution of marriage. This moderation would extend to all aspects of life, food (tapas) , wealth accumulation(aparigraha) . Even a Bhakti yogi has to develop and maintain tremendous Self Control and Vairagya.

In this context it may not be out of place to quote the following from Bhartruhari. It concludes that vairagya leads to fearlessness.

bhoge roga bhayam, kule chuti bhayam, vitte nrupaalaath bhayam
maane dainya bhayam, bale ripu bhayam, rupe jataayaa bhayam
shaastre vaadi bhayam, gune khala bhayam, kaaye krutaantaat bhayam
srvam vastu bhayaanvitam, bhuvu nrunaanaam vairagyamevaabhayam

In enjoyment is the fear of disease. in high living is the fear of nosedive, in wealth is the fear from hostile rulers, in honor is the fear of humiliation, in power is the fear of enemies, in beauty is the ear of old age, in knowledge is the fear of arguments, in virtue is the fear of jealousy, in the body is the fear of death. Everything on this earth is fraught with fear: he alone is is fearless who has given up everything.---Saint-king-poet Raja Bhartruhari in Vairagya satakam

(King Bhartruhari is believed to have written books each of 100 verses (sataka), on three disparate subjects, one on Niti (justice), one on Sringara (love), and another on Vairagya ( dispassion). He also is credited with writing a commentary of Patanjali's monumental work, Mahabhashya on Sanskrit grammar. Bhartruhari was a great just King so he could write a book of Justice. He loved his queen passionately and so wrote a book on Sringara (love). Later when he accidentally discovered that his wife was unfaithful, he became heartbroken and became a sanyasin/ renunciate and wrote the book on Vairagya.
Sri Krishnamacharya taught Yoga Sutras, Hatayogapradipika, Yoga Yagnyavalkya and other lesser known hatayoga texts like suta samhita, siva samhita, gherunda samhita and a few others with equal facility. However he held the Yoga sutras as the 'bible' of Yoga. Most of the hatayoga texts especially Yoga Yagnyavalkya fall inline with the yogs sutras but some procedures- some hatayoga procedures in other hatayoga texts- create a conflict in the mind of the yogi vis a vis the Sutras. Hatayogapradipika has some procedures that appear glaringly obnoxious to the Rajayogi, like Vajroli and some exaggerated claims according to my Guru. So he would ask the students to be watchful and eschew those practices that violate the basic tenets of Rajayoga.I thought he found both Hatayoga pradipika and Yogayagyaavalkya very useful in their own way. The yoga sutra does not explain many aspects of the yogasadhana like asanas pranayama in as much detail as the other hatayoga texts. YS if it starts explaining every aspect of yoga including the hundreds of asanas and pranayama it would have  become very voluminous and so Patanjali leaves it to other texts. "anuktam anyato grahyam" If something is not explained in one text it should be obtained from other complimentary texts-- that is the rule. And sutras aim at brevity.
He had a booming voice and was a master of Vedic chanting. He taught me to chant the entire Taittiriya Kataka, Taittiriya Aranyaka and Taittiriya Upanishad in all about 15 chapters of the vedas. Because of the excellent training he gave I was able to record for a recording company in India more than 30 titles which are still marketed by the recording company. The cds and downloads are available
http://www.sangeethamusic.com/search-by-key.php?keywords=Srivatsa+Ramaswami&type=Artiste_album&go=Search

Ofcourse Krishnamacharya was a Bhakti Yogi of the Vaishnava denomination but it did not prevent him from assimilating other forms of yoga including Hatayoga and Rajayoga. In fact Patanjali himself was a great Bhakti Yogi, an outstanding devotee of Lord Siva, due to Whose grace he wrote three texts of grammar, ayurveda and yoga. Adisesha whose avatara Patanjali was, himself acted as the couch on whom Mahavishnu would be resting. Patanjali's Yogasutra gives sufficient importance to bhakti by referring to “isvarapranidhana' on three occasions applicable to three levels of yogis. He also talks about meditating on one's favorite deity for mental peace (yeta abhimata dhyanat va). Adisankara antogonized several Bhaktiyogis with his assertion that God's creation, the universe, is just an illusion. Even Adisankara who was in the forefront of yoga of wisdom (jnana Yoga) is credited with reviving the bhakti stream of worship of six different forms—worship of Ganesa, Kumara, Sakti, Vishnu, Siva and the Sun. In India Hata yogis form a miniscule portion of yogis. People who have some discipline and orthodox by and large follow some form of Bhakti. Most followed yoga in India is Bhakti Yoga. You may want to read the story of Patanjali from my earlier newsletter
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/vinyasa-krama-announce/YqxNphZ4Txg
and my book “Yoga for the Three stages of life”

Sri Krishnamacharya left a great legacy of yoga and other spiritual and religious practices for adaptation to different individual requirements. I am still in awe with his depth and reach. He left a great hatayoga and a spiritual/philosophical legacy--though he did not leave behind much writings. He was Yogi par excellence rolling bhakti, jnana, hata and Raja yogas into a grand harmonious yoga system.
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 Srivatsa Ramaswami


1970s Article titled 'About Sri T Krishnamacharya, My Guru'.

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from Ramaswami's Feb 2011 Newsletter, 'Anthony's Nudge' (previous post)

"...I wrote about the Yoga Sutras and then decided to write about my Guru at the instance of the Editor of the magazine. I had known nothing at all, about my Guru, about his past-- where and what he studied and other details. Desikachar talked to his reluctant father and gave me some informaation. Based on that I wrote the article. The magazine published it under the caption "About Sri T Krishnamacharya, My Guru". It also contained a beautiful black and white photo of my Guru in Padmasana with straight body (rijukaya) head slightly bent and the palms together in perfect anjali  mudra.
Well this article was read to him and so I may say that the information contained in it would be correct".
Links to more articles on Krishanamacharya at Paul Harvey's Centre for Yoga Studies

Links to more articles on Krishanamacharya at Paul Harvey's Centre for Yoga Studies

Links to more articles on Krishanamacharya at Paul Harvey's Centre for Yoga Studies

Links to more articles on Krishanamacharya at Paul Harvey's Centre for Yoga Studies

Links to more articles on Krishanamacharya at Paul Harvey's Centre for Yoga Studies


Link to more articles an different aspects of yoga by Ramaswami for the Indian Times at Paul Harvey's Center for yoga studies resource bank



from Ramaswami's Feb 2011 Newsletter, 'Anthony's Nudge' (previous post)

"Sometime in the late 70s I guess, Krihnamacharya Yoga Mandiram was started. As I had mentioned earlier I was one of the three founder trustees, the other two being Sri Desikachar himaself, the Managing Trustee and Sri Kuppuswamy, Desikachar's classmate. We all contributed some money for the corpus fund. I think Sri Krishnamacharya also gifted some money from his savings.
Sri Desikachar started, I think, a 2 year yoga program at the Mandiram and I was one of the first teachers, but it was for a very short period. I was also involved in the creation of the syllabus, some legal leg work for creating the trust. During the initial stgae one of Desikachar's friends asked Desikachar to write a series of articles for an almost a century year old Indian English magazine called Indian Review. He was very busy at that time and with the consent of his father he asked me if I could write the articles on behalf of the Krishnmacharya Yoga Mandiram. I started writing the articles. I would write in long hand. It would be given to Desikachar who after reading it would read it to his father at a time convenient to both of them. This arrangement worked well as both lived in the same house. If there were any suggestion of my Guru, Desikachar would convey it to me. I was the trustee for a few months only, so the articles bore my name as the trustee for the first few issues . First two issues I wrote about the Yoga Sutras and then decided to write about my Guru at the instance of the Editor of the magazine. I had known nothing at all, about my Guru, about his past-- where and what he studied and other details. Desikachar talked to his reluctant father and gave me some informaation. Based on that I wrote the article. The magazine published it under the caption "About Sri T Krishnamacharya, My Guru". It also contained a beautiful black and white photo of my Guru in Padmasana with straight body (rijukaya) head slightly bent and the palms together in perfect anjali mudra.

Well this article was read to him and so I may say that the information contained in it would be correct. In it I wrote as follows
" ....As a boy Sri Krishnamacharya's teacher was his father Srinivasa Tatacharya. a priest and a religious teacher who gave his son a thoroughly traditional education and had begun instructing him in the elements of yoga when his untimely passing away interrupted his deep study unfortunately. At the age of twelve therefore Sri Krishna made his way to Mysore City and there joined Mysore Maharaja Sanskrit College . At the same time he took up the study of Sanskrit grammar (Vyakarana)and logic (nyaya) under Krishna Brahmatantra , the Swami of Parakala Mutt and the Guru of the Maharaja.
After five years of study he wended his way to Kashi and continued his studies under the great scholars,Vamacharya Bhattacharya,Ganganatha Jha, and other well known scholar teachers of Indian philosophy in the early years of the century. In the next 15 years Krishnamacharya was awarded several degrees, including Samkhya Yoga Siromani, Mimamsa Tirtha, Nyayacharya, Vedanta Vageesa, , Nyaya Ratna and Veda Kesari from Universities as Kashi Hindu University, Allahabad, Calcutta, Baroda and Darbhanga Universities. "
These titles when translated sound very nice. Samkhya siromani would be crest-jewel of Samkhya. Mimamsa Tirta wuld be Master of Mimamsa philosophy. Nyayacharya would be The masterguide of Nyaya philosophy, Vedanta Vageesa would be Lord of exposition of Vedanta philosophy, Nyayaratna would be jewel of Nyaya philosophy, Veda Kesari would be Lion of the Vedas. I have heard that he was an excellent debator== in different languages especially Sanskrit-- of Vedic philosophies and equally highly respected religious expert.
My complete article referred to, can be accessed --thanks to my good friend, a senior student of Sri Desikacharar and a well known yoga teacher, Paul Harvey.

http://www.yogastudies.org/wp-content/uploads/S_Ramaswami_About_TK.pdf

In the same article I had written about his Yoga studies which is well known. He taught not only asanas to his students and many people came to him to study the various texts. In fact after teaching me a wide range of asanas follwing the vinyasakrama consisting of hundreds of vinyasas built around scores of asanas he went on to teach several of the ancient texts he deemed necessary to teach us. Most people know of Krishnamacharya only as an asana exponent . Some even seem to suggest that his yoga system of vinyasas appear to be borrowed from western gymnastics. Unfortunately very little is known about his wide range of teachings and contributions. When I first started teaching in the West I was appalled by the complete lack of information about the comprehensiveness of his teachings and not restricted to  just asanas. It is still the impressions of long term yoga practitioners even of the Krishnamacharya lineage"

Questioning the relationship between the Samkhya influenced Yoga Sutras and Tantra influenced Hatha Yoga Pradipka: Developing a home practice part thirty something.

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I am so far out of my scholarly depth here but these questions have been troubling me (and perhaps they have you) for some time and is behind the question I posed to Ramaswami recently (see previous post Anthony's Nudge - Ramaswami's Feb 2015 newsletter) and I want to at least sketch out this particular field of the Kurus for my own mind ( this is a blog rather than a scholarly paper after all), something to come back to as I continue to delve.

Does anyone else find any or all of the below.... uncomfortable?
  • The subtle body physiology of 72,000 channels (nadis) with 10 primary channels, of which three are the most important (the ida, the pingala, and the sushumna)
  • The analogizing of those three primary channels to the three radiances of the sun, moon, and fire.
  • The explanation of the functions of the ten vital energies (prana-vayus)
  • The installation and activation of mantras in the subtle centers of the body.
  • The mantra of the “recitation of the Self” (hamsa, so’ham) occurring naturally 21,600 times a day
  • The opening of the heart center analogized to a blossoming lotus
  • The ascension of the soul through the central channel (sushumna) by means of pranayama, dharana, and dhyana.
  • The description of the primal Goddess who affects this process as the “coiled power” 
  • The fructification of yoga-sadhana, known as the experience of “nectar-pervasion.”
Let alone the deification or elevated status of the Guru and concept of parampara.

Recently I've been struggling to get my head around questions concerning the Yoga Sutras and the Hatha Yoga Pradipka. Both texts have been constantly recommended in the Krishnamacharya Ashtanga Vinyasa traditions and, for want of a better word, lineages. And yet I tend to find them if not contradictory then... at odds. This is not surprising, Patanjali's Yoga Sutras appear to be at least 500 years earlier than the Hatha texts and is generally assumed to be a collection or summery and commentary ( Vyasa and Patanjali are often equated) on practices that  reach back much further and into the mists of oral tradition. Raja Yoga it seems did quite nicely thank you very much for perhaps as long as a thousand years before the Hatha practices came along ( although there is the suggestion that Raja yoga was lost and rediscovered by the Hatha yogi's).

Hatha yoga, it seems to be argued, derives from two threads, Tantra on the one hand and Raja yoga on the other or at least Patanjali's Raja yoga is still assumed to be the ultimate goal of hatha but practices based on and developed along tantra lines are assumed to be required in preparation for the attainment of Raja yoga.

I find myself stubbornly uninterested ( other than slightly academically) in all of the bullet points above, it's all a bit of a turn-off whenever I encounter them mixed up among the writings of fellow Ashtanga vinyasa and non Ashtanga vinyasa practitioners and teachers. And that's what happens, in Modern yoga, Raja and Hatha yoga get mixed up as if you can't have one without the other.

By contrast I find the presentation of Yoga in Patanjali's Yoga Sutras, Raja Yoga, ever fascinating and enticing, I find myself coming back again and again for instance to Swami Hariharānanda Aranya's Commentary.

Do I think I will 'encounter (or rather liberate ) Purusha' as indicated in Patanjali, I have no idea nor am I the least bit interested one way or the other, it's enough to focus on working towards ceasing the fluctuations of the mind, I'll worry about what is or is not then discerned should that ever happen for an extended period. Yoga, and Samkhya was and is to my mind radical enquiry and in that sense I seem to lean more towards Patanjali than Svātmārāma.

But where does that leave us as Ashtangi's, is Ashtanga Vinyasa a Hatha or a Raja Yoga practice... or both? Interestingly Krishnamacharya would often indicate which approach to certain asana was the Hatha approach and which the  Raja. Krishnamacharya seems to have been quite happy to bring in certain hatha ideas or descriptions/instructions where and when it suited or when he felt them to be beneficial, and yet at the same  time he was prepared to reject others. For Krishnamacharya the Yoga Sutras seems to be be the most important text. As long as other texts didn't go against Patanjali he seems to have been prepared to consider and often employ them. Hatha yoga however seems to play a greater role in Pattabhi Jois' presentation perhaps or am I imagining it.

"Sri Krishnamacharya taught Yoga Sutras, Hatayogapradipika, Yoga Yagnyavalkya and other lesser known hatayoga texts like suta samhita, siva samhita, gherunda samhita and a few others with equal facility. However he held the Yoga sutras as the 'bible' of Yoga. Most of the hatayoga texts especially Yoga Yagnyavalkya fall inline with the yogs sutras but some procedures- some hatayoga procedures in other hatayoga texts- create a conflict in the mind of the yogi vis a vis the Sutras. Hatayogapradipika has some procedures that appear glaringly obnoxious to the Rajayogi, like Vajroli and some exaggerated claims according to my Guru. So he would ask the students to be watchful and eschew those practices that violate the basic tenets of Rajayoga.I thought he found both Hatayoga pradipika and Yogayagyaavalkya very useful in their own way. The yoga sutra does not explain many aspects of the yogasadhana like asanas pranayama in as much detail as the other hatayoga texts. YS if it starts explaining every aspect of yoga including the hundreds of asanas and pranayama it would have  become very voluminous and so Patanjali leaves it to other texts. "anuktam anyato grahyam" If something is not explained in one text it should be obtained from other complimentary texts-- that is the rule. And sutras aim at brevity". from Anthony's Nudge - Ramaswami's Feb 2015 Newsletter

I came to Yoga through meditation and a background in philosophy. Eight years ago I'd started meditating again and decided I need some help with improving my flexibility for sitting. Ashtanga just happened to have the least offensive cover in the library. For a time the practice was just exercise before sitting but I came to find the Ashtanga Vinyasa practice meditative in and of itself... up to a point ( I still firmly believe that despite the focus on breathing while practicing, the Ashtanga vinyasa Sequences are no substitute for pranayama or despite the meditative aspect, no substitute for sitting). I was unsure about the concepts of bandhas, prana, sushumna and nadis, the subtle body but came to terms with bandhas as having subtle muscular effects rather than anything esoterically energetic.

As with most of us I became obsessed with asana for a time and pranayama practices also but more and more recently I've wanted to simplify my practice, drastically reduce the number of asana and stay in those I do practice longer (Ashtanga Vinyasa only became fixed sequences when Pattbhi Jois was asked to present a four year college syllabus based on Krishnamacharya's table of more flexible groups of asana and subroutines, around 1940), explore the breath more, the mental focus. A few asana, one or two pranayamas (mainly nadi sodhana) and a longer sit have become more attractive to me and I've begun to wonder if I actually find any of the practices from Hatha Yoga Pradipka (other than a penchant for Mudra) necessary for my practice and/or conception of what yoga as a methodology is for me.

The question is often asked, why did Patanjali include so few asana in his Yoga Sutras, but perhaps the question should rather be, why did later texts feel the need to include so many.



I've started to wonder more and more if we can strip it back, separate the Hatha practices  or at least those influenced by tantra ideas off and return to a less conceptually cluttered Patanjali Raja Yoga. The second extended quote/passage below suggests that it might be, that no other than Swami Hariharānanda Aranya, who wrote my favourite go-to commentary on the Yoga Sutras may have managed it.

Of course I also find Patanjali's yoga and Samkhya philosophical problematic but it feels more like an ongoing discussion, hermeneutics whereas Hatha seems to be more based on (tantric) ideas that one is seemingly supposed to take as given.... I struggle with that.

Of course this seems to put me into conflict with Krishnamacharya, Pattabhi jois...the whole Ashtanga Vinyasa tradition (or does it and if so to what extent). It may be a misguided and fruitless enquiry, throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water but then the history of yoga is often confused and contradictory. To even begin to explore and discuss this no doubt requires a great deal of scholarship when all I ( and perhaps you) really want to spend my/our time doing is to breathe and sit. However this is an excellent site http://theluminescent.blogspot.jp/ for dipping toes in.

This is very much work in progress and below are just two extensive quotes that I've come across this week that give some kind of horizon to the enquiry and save me pulling out quotes I've saved here and there all overt he place, it's a first post but perhaps part of my Developing a home Practice series ( part 35?).




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Below is a fuller quote from which we find the above tantric elements of hatha yoga taken from a convenient article (with sources) by Ben D. Hoshou found in full HERE


"The subtle body physiology was taken directly from the Kaubjika tradition of Tantra
The practices of hatha yoga and modern yoga (other than concentrative meditation) can`t be found in the Yoga Sutra except for the brief mention of pranayama, whereas in Tantric texts we have a detailed description of many pranayamas. Yoga scholar Christopher Tompkins has done a ground-breaking study in which he documents dozens of passages in the Hundred Verses of Goraksa that are drawn from much earlier scriptures of Tantric yoga (specifically the influential Transcendence of Time). Material currently thought by some scholars (and the general public) to originate in hatha yoga that Tompkins proves comes from Tantric yoga includes the following:

The subtle body physiology of 72,000 channels (nadis) with 10 primary channels, of which three are the most important (the ida, the pingala, and the sushumna).

The analogizing of those three primary channels to the three radiances of the sun, moon, and fire.


The explanation of the functions of the ten vital energies (prana-vayus).


The installation and activation of mantras in the subtle centers of the body.


The mantra of the “recitation of the Self” (hamsa, so’ham) occurring naturally 21,600 times a day


The opening of the heart center analogized to a blossoming lotus


The ascension of the soul through the central channel (sushumna) by means of pranayama, dharana, and dhyana.


The description of the primal Goddess who affects this process as the “coiled power” 

(kundalini)

The fructification of yoga-sadhana, known as the experience of “nectar-pervasion.”


The subtle body physiology was taken directly from the Kaubjika tradition of Tantra



The subtle body physiology was taken directly from the Kaubjika tradition of Tantra

All of these concepts are taken by Gorsaka (the founder of Hatha Yoga) directly from The Transcendence of Time or from an intermediate source that faithfully transmitted them, such as the Kubjika Tantras.

There is NO direct connection between Patanjali’s pre-tantric yoga and the discipline of hatha-yoga, whose respective periods of ascendency are separated by well over a thousand years. In fact, many of the hatha-yoga traditions explicitly see themselves as inheriting practices from the tantric tradition. The Tantra itself had absorbed Patanjali’s practice teachings early on, though rejecting its philosophical dualism. In Patanajli’s system, there is a metaphysical dualism, which means that human beings are considered to be separate from God/dess. This contrasts starkly with Tantra’s assertion of non-dualism, which states that we are, in fact, co-existent with God/dess and direct embodiments of that same source.  Additionally, in Patanjali’s system, the goal is to transcend the body and the world (kaivalya) in a kind of transcendenatlist escapsim. This again constrasts with Tantra’s goal, which is union with God/dess (mukti) and the enjoyment of earthly life and pleasure (bhukti). Such a distinction is important when considering the goal of your spiritual practice.

Though quotes from the Yoga-Sutras are very rare in tantric literature, none of the techniques the Yoga-Sutra taught were forgotten by the tantric tradition. The part of the Yoga-Sutra that appears again and again in the medieval period is its formulation of the eight primary practices of yoga (astanga-yoga). All eight were absorbed by the Tantra and passed on to hatha-yoga.

All of Patanjali`s practices get adopted and developed further in tantra. They clearly know his Ashtānga Yoga, they cite his Ashtānga Yoga, they discuss it and give much more elaborate instruction on it, as well as other practices that are not found in Patanjali, mainly visualization, subtle body practices and energy practices; that`s what Tantra adds that is very different from Patanjali. Tantra incorporates all of Patanjali`s methods but not his philosophy. Of course Tantra does incorporate the 25 tattvas (of Samkhya), but that became part of a much more elaborate philosophical system, that is very different from Patanjali, focusing on unity. There is no duality, not only in terms of spirit and matter, because of course the Tantra says this matter is just a denser form of energy, which Einstein ended up proving — so matter and energy are one and both are forms of spirit, a single divine consciousness in the Tantra philosophy. So, what we find quoted in Tantra is always just Patanjali`s practices, not his philosophy".



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from the Wild Yogi Magazine article 'Tantric roots of Hatha yoga Interview with Hareesh (Christopher Wallis)'

"...and for example Swami Hariharānanda did this commentary on Yoga Sutra in the early 20th century published by SUNY press. He is a rare example of somebody interpreting Patanjali and Sankhya with no tantric influence". 


Ilya: My next question is about the Yoga Sutras and Tantric Yoga. It`s a very interesting question, because Yoga Sutras is the most well-known scripture in the West and most of the people, including modern Indian teachers use this scripture as the main philosophical text of yoga tradition, even teachers of Hatha Yoga, which is not described in Sutras. I`ve read that these are two completely different systems - like yoga of Rishis and Munis is close to the Vedic tradition and tantric yoga, which is different. I have doubts about this. There is an opinion that Sutras is a dualistic text - about division of Prakriti from Purusha and Tantric texts are about union. Do you think these are completely different traditions or merely two points of view on one subject?

Hareesh: This is a very important question that almost nobody understands the answer to, because of lack of research, lack of investigation, of real evidence. First of all we have to note that the modern interest in Patanjali`s Yoga Sutra is artificial in a certain sense and it comes from not realizing that the sources for modern yoga are to be found ultimately in Tantric yoga. The practices of hatha Yoga and modern yoga (other than concentrative meditation) can`t be found in Yoga Sutra, as you have pointed out, except for the brief mention of pranayama, whereas in Tantric texts we have a detailed description of many pranayamas. So if you look for the roots of modern practices it`s Hatha yoga type traditions and tantric yoga before that - but the problem is that by the time of the 19th century Tantra had an extremely bad reputation, because the original wisdom had been forgotten and Indians thought Tantra meant some kind of black magic. And British thought Tantra meant some kind of a weird sex and black magic. Nobody wanted to look at those texts, which are so many and so hard to read and they thought there is nothing valuable to read in them anyway. So, there is an artificial revival of Patanjali when modern practitioners looked for a scriptural authority in 19th and 20th century, and this revival obscures what really happened historically.

What happened was this - all of Patanjali`s practices get adopted and developed further in tantra. They clearly know his Ashtānga Yoga, they cite his Ashtānga Yoga, they discuss it and give much more elaborate instruction on it, as well as other practices that are not found in Patanjali, mainly visualisation subtle body practices and energy practices, that`s what Tantra adds that is very different from Patanjali. But they incorporate all of Patanjali`s work and they don`t incorporate his philosophy. Of course Tantra does incorporate the 25 tattvas (of Samkhya), but that became part of a much more elaborate philosophical system, that is very different from Patanjali, focusing on unity. There is no duality not only in terms of spirit and matter, because of course the Tantra says this matter is just a denser form of energy, which Einstein ended up proving -- so matter and energy are one and both are forms of spirit, a single divine consciousness in the Tantra philosophy. So, what we find quoted in Tantra is always just Patanjali`s practices, not his philosophy. Result -- we get to the Hatha Yoga period and what is actually being taught in the times of Hatha Yoga is Patanjali`s eight limbs plus more, such as a 15-limb yoga, with the sources for the additional seven limbs being Tantras. Moreover, we can prove that people in the 16th-18th centuries didn`t differentiate between Patanjali and Hatha Yoga, because we have sources that say Patanjali`s yoga and Hatha Yoga are synonyms. What I`m trying to say is that Patanjali does not survive at all as a separate school, nobody is preserving Patanjali`s practices apart from the Tantra-influenced Hatha Yoga schools.

Ilya: But could it be the case that Patanjali didn`t even mean to establish a separate school but merely wrote a book on the subject?

Hareesh: Well, it`s hard to say now, records are too early, but what we do have is a list of 6 shad-darshanas, including Sānkhya and Yoga.

Ilya: But this shad-darshana list was created by Max Muller, some other darshana could also be found.

Hareesh: Yes, we do find this shad-darshana list in original sources, but you are right to say that this was not a dominant theme before Max Muller. In sources of the 16th century (like the Sarva-darśana-sangraha) we find mentions of Pātanjala school, but what I`m trying to say is that it was preserved by historians but is no longer practiced as a separate school. Let me correct myself, of course there were a few lineages that still kind of preserved Patanjali`s original dualistic spirit and matter separation and for example Swami Hariharānanda did this commentary on Yoga Sutra in the early 20th century published by SUNY press. He is a rare example of somebody interpreting Patanjali and Sankhya with no tantric influence. My point is that in general all these practice and ideas were being interpreted under Tantric influence, even Vedanta came under tantric influence, this is how powerful tantra was.

Angela Jamison Interview Ashtanga and Meditation, Mobile shala's, teaching plus some bonus extras.

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"Not having more students than I can fully perceive and support".
Angela Jamison


Lu Dong's Ashtanga Parampara (http://www.ashtangaparampara.org/) is still my favourite Ashtanga interview platform, find a quiet half hour in your day to settle down with this one and/or book mark and come back to masticate over each Q and A one at a time.

It's worth the price of admission (although there isn't one) alone for Angela on Ashtanga and seated Meditation

LU: "Elaborating on consciousness. If a student has spent any time with you, it becomes clear how highly you value a sitting/meditation practice. Can you share your experience with meditation? Why is it complementary to the Ashtanga method"?

Angela: "The way that my teachers teach the asana is like this: gentle-gentle and gradual as a physical practice; and relentless as an attentional practice. Being in the body, moving and breathing without interruption, bandha, driste, and actually making all of this about the quality of awareness and not any outward achievement… holy cow, this requires a lot of consciousness. Sometimes the meditation is a letting go, and sometimes one has to really work it. I don’t pretend that every ashtangi actually practices meditation on the mat, but many do. They get it. 

Someone who gets it in this sense, she already has a meditation practice. And in addition to this, some feel a strong internal call to meditate while sitting down. The technique for that might be a little different from tristhana, and it might develop varying skills and take a person to slightly different places. Different but same. Personally, it’s true that since 2000 I have been feeling a strong call to sit. Daily. Sometimes for days or a week without interruption. Moving practice; sitting practice; same. It’s just practice. 

I don’t suggest that students do sitting practice. Pattabhi Jois joked about sitting being “mad attention,” maybe because he saw people who pushed themselves to sit go crazy. Bad trips definitely happen. So we work against the idea that sitting is important. That said, for me personally sitting is space to dwell in my spirit, something I may have longed for especially badly because I began adult life by rejecting god, and then spent my 20s honing my rational mind to a sharp point. Sittng has also quickened my learning in the areas of equanimity, love and intuition. It feels natural, like something I have been doing since before I was born. 

If someone is feeling an inner call to sit down to either watch the mind or let it become still, this is not an urge to repress. We are repressed enough already. It may be helpful to find like minds".


But perhaps my favourite is another brilliant AYA2 idea the 'mobile Shala' ( note the bracketed 'not workshop').


"AY:A2 has a “mobile shala” - a group of people who have learned traditionally and practice at home. They visit from from 1 week to 3 months per year. They are on the monthly mailing list, can drop in even if we’re full, and are invited to the shala’s internal events. This supports their self practice for the rest of the year in Nebraska, Nova Scotia, Ontario, Ohio, Indiana, Minnesota, wherever. The mobile shala is a reflection of how it works at the mothership in India. It’s the essence of Mysore style: to alternate periods of focused, residential (not workshop) study with periods of uninterrupted practice."


Tempted to sign up myself.

Or perhaps this bit on how her teaching has evolved.

"Lately it feels like listening is a big skill for the teaching practice. Giving close attention to the students. Not having more students than I can fully perceive and support. Maintaining a quiet life, and safe spaces, where listening and understanding can happen. And then also listening to my teachers whispering in my ears: meditating on the true teachers, embedding the life-streams of those who have gone before deep into my consciousness. When students need information, I hope to perceive them accurately enough to meet them where they are at, learn from them, and then give them space to go beyond me".

I could happily quote more but better you settle down with a cappuccino or tasty beverage of your choice and read it in all in context.

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So I loved the Mobile shala idea but here's another of Angela's idea's that she mentioned a while back that intrigued me and that I wanted to include here. Angela had mentioned in passing ashort while back....

"I had my Level 3 students (students self-select into- 1- just asana,  - 2- asana + memorizing posture names and learning internal practice ash" 

I just asked Angela if she'd mind expanding on it.

Angela Jamison:
'Glad you asked about the self-selecting idea. However, that's not what I use at the shala but the way that I organize the ashtanga course I teach in the dance department at the University of Michigan. It's a regular course, with a grade but the grade is based 100% on participation - with quite a bit of participation required.
That class is divided into the three tracks, and students self-select into one of them. I set it up that way because there were 4 students who wanted to learn a lot of history and method (the others less so it seems).

This was the first semester I added that third track. Anyway, at the end of the semester one of those students made this really interesting comment about parampara - that because they had self-selected into the study group it set up a situation where there could be parampara in a public school context. In the other levels of the class I'm not really talking about relationships and the history of different teachers... but that small group of students who did ended up deepening a personal practice and a strong connection to the tradition in that context, even though it's a university setting where I observe strong professional boundaries and don't assume most students are interested in more than learning some asanas and learning how to shift gears with their nervous systems".

More on presenting practice in a university setting

http://www.music.umich.edu/departments/dance/documents/Spotlight_Jamison.pdf

http://www.music.umich.edu/departments/dance/documents/Spotlight_Jamison.pdf

Angea and I go way back, she was commenting on this blog pretty much from the beginning and no doubt helped put the word around, though a shala Ashtangi herself she was encouraging and supporting of my fledging home practice. One final quite from Lu's interview made me smile

"I’m not suggesting here the sort of “mutual appreciation society” that we are often tempted to create in communities. Robert Augustus Masters defines the M.A.S. as an implicit agreement that ‘I won’t call you on your stuff if you won’t call me on mine.’ The mutual appreciation thing comes from anxiety, not love. It’s dissociative, flattering, and afraid of the dark. But keeping it real is part of love."


Earlier posts 


Ashtanga Yoga: Ann Arbor workshop for beginners - Angela Jamison

Jumping back in Ashtanga with short arms, Angela Jamison and AYA2

AYA2 (Ashtanga) House recommendations....for the Home Ashtangi

Link to the full 'House Recommendations'

http://www.magcloud.com/browse/issue/585165

Previous interviews

I must ask Lu how he approaches these interviews, one to one in person, skype, back and forth through email....
Previous interviews
http://www.ashtangaparampara.org/interviews.html

Ashtanga legitimacy, to practice, to teach....

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Nice segment on legitimacy here (unfortunately we don't have the context of the thread and how it evolved to give it context), thank you for this Aliya Weise​ and of course Peg Mulqueen​
I've tended to feel that just getting on the mat every day for a significant period is all you need to legitimise your practice (can't believe I'm even using the word legitimise) as well as to pass it along... and yes, call it Ashtanga Vinyasa too if you want, why the hell not. Breathe and move, breathe and move, the breath will take care of everything else of any importance, all will arise sooner or later if practiced with sincerity. 
Besides if you read Krishnamacharya and then look at what's presented as based on his teaching in Mysore today there's quite a gulf already, most seem to be quite comfortable with that (enough are looking at Krishnamacharya's early writing now for it not to be lost altogether).

I've ALWAYS felt Peg and Ashtanga Dispatch​ are all about sharing their passion and enthusiasm for practice.

I heard about the podcast from a friend this morning who's Ashtanga practice has begun to flourish of late, practices a full week often at a shala, goes to regular workshops and intensives. She had this to say

"...listening to her podcast with Aliya, made me angry.. 

part of the reason i don't called myself ashtangi.. some pple think they 'own' the practice"

But what if I practice my Ashtanga FAST and then.....

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tapas (Sanskrit: "Warmth, heat,") — hence psychic energy, spiritual fervour or ardor.


( Warning: the first part of this post engages in a gross mischaracterisation of an Ashtanga practice... for literary effect, don't worry I paint a prettier picture later. )


But what if I practice my Ashtanga FAST and then.....

There is a good argument for this, practice my Ashtanga at Sharath pace ( his DVD is 60 mins. although I've heard other led classes of his that take 90 minutes)..... just knock out a brisk Primary or 2nd then settle down to the other limbs.

It's the same no, if time is an issue I can either practice quickly or if slowly then drop asana leaving me time in the morning for the other limbs, which I consider at least as important as my asana practice if not more so.

Practicing less asana however does seem to result in less flexibility, strength and fitness, at least in my own practice.

That doesn't have to be the case of course, if you feature more arm balances, strength postures in your reduced asana practice then that will keep the strength up. More salutations and jump backs and through will keep the strength up as well as fitness.... unless you have the nice floaty, energy efficient transitions ( note to self: consider going back to the clunky, clumsy transitions where I relied on arm strength and throwing myself back and forth rather than moving my body, my centre of gravity, more effectively). Flexibility can be addressed by just picking those postures that work on the areas I want to keep more flexible, those hip openers for fancy leg behind head postures, the backbends to keep my kapo and drop backs.

Sounds awful doesn't it, asana for strength, fitness and ego.... might as well just go to a gym. Aren't those factors less the ego supposed to be by products rather than raison d'etre. But then I don't know many who continue to practice Ashtanga vinyasa for those reasons for that long, seems they tend to switch to crossfit.

One of the strengths of Ashtanga of course is that we manage to cover a good range of postures in a sequence, strength, fitness, all round flexibility (assuming you make the most of your upward facing dog), Ashtanga Vinyasa has it all covered.

So to hell with breathing slowly, screw kumbhaka, jump on the mat and knock that bad boy Primary or 2nd series out, BOOM.

Then wipe off the sweat, pick the least drenched part of my yoga towel, sit and practice pranayama, pratyahara, sit.

Can't do it

Tried.

Just can't seem to go back to knocking practices out like that anymore and I'm being unfair of course, as the warning indicated at the beginning of the post, the above is a mischaracterisation of skillful Ashtanga practice. Perhaps we all practice a bit like that in the beginning but after a time, practice gets softer, we move our bodies more efficiently, we end up sweating a little less, breathe  nice and regular throughout and OH MY watch Jessica Walden's arm balance transition to see a practice all about control and focus rather than ego and a sales pitch.

You CAN practice your Ashtanga in an hour, without it seeming the least bit hurried (sharath's 60min Primary DVD a case in point), so why not return to a practice like that.....

But the breath, oh the breath!

How can I go back to a five second breath let alone one that takes three, I've tried,  recently in fact, tried to breathe more quickly but where's the fun in that. It feels now like Rochester's imperfect enjoyment and I keep hearing that tiresome Youtube cartoon that critique's Ashtanga "no benefit.

It feels like that, to me  personally, no benefit.


And oh the kumbhaka, once tasted how can one be satisfied with anything else. Try it yourself now, inhale slowly and at the end of the inhalation pause, a couple of seconds is enough and then exhale. Did you notice that stillness, that..... expansion, whole universes rise and fall in that moment. No that's not it, nothing rises or falls, nothing... moves, times ceases, a glimpse perhaps into the realm beyond the gods for they too are subject to time.

Am I getting carried away with my theme, I'll pretend that I am so not to alienate you dear reader (...don't you hate it when Austin does that in her novels and yet love it when Frank Underwood does the same in House of Cards).

And yet the kumbhaka experience can feel so profound, just one kumbhaka feels a reminder of something lost (wink to camera) but then you link them up, another kumbhala after the exhalation and then another after the next inhalation and on through each extended stay in an asana and the next and the next, kumbhaka's lining up one after the other in your practice, joining up until it feels like one long ninety minute kumbhaka and yet you've only practiced ten asana.

Once tasted, familiarity gained how does one go back to practicing any other way....

Krishnamacharya understood this, surely he practiced this way before he wrote down his asana instruction in 1934 for his Yoga Makaranda with kumbhaka throughout. He had his table of asana which pretty much matches Jois' later college syllabus of four sequences but this is surely the reason he resisted laying down fixed sequences. Perhaps he raced through the asana with the kids, the boys of the palace but in the side room while the young Jois led his class in his absence he taught Kumbhaka perhaps and talked of it as experiencing the divine.

"While practicing yoga with reverence, one can offer their essence to God during exhalation and during inhalation, imagine/suppose that God is entering your heart.  During kumbhaka, we can practice dharana and dhyana.  Such practices will improve mental concentration and strengthen silence/stillness.  Eliminates agitation and restlessness".  Krishnamacharya: Yogasanagalu (1941)

Krishnamacharya was once asked

What does the bhakti mean to a person who has no belief in Isvara?

Krishnamacharya : Love is bhakti for them

If Isvara, the lord, creator....god isn't your thing then perhaps there's love to be found in your kumbhaka, your tapas as ardor, rapture..... ekstasis, absence (abesse).


So as I prepare to step on the mat, no I wont be speeding it up, if I want to keep my weight down I'll watch what I eat and perhaps cycle to work rather than catch the train.



The small print

Of course, talk to enough practitioner's and you'll soon realise that there seems to be something wonderful to be found in this practice however we approach it, fast, slow,for fitness, health, or as meditation, tapasya.... perhaps some or all of the above as well as with or without kumbhaka. And yet, slow and with Kumbhaka is how Krishnamacharya seemed to have first presented Ashtanga vinyasa ( in writing anyway) and thus it feels worthy of continued exploration....what was that remarkable man up to, what did he find in kumbhaka after kumbhaka.


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Thank you to my dear friend Lucia for the heads up about Roberto Calasso's new book Ardor. Just read the kindle sample and can't wait to settle in to the full text.


Link to Amazon for Sample

"Maybe I’m inclined to what Nietzsche called “impure thought,” that is to say, a kind of thought where abstractions are so mixed with the facts of life that you can’t disentangle them. I feel thought in general, and in particular what is unfortunately called “philosophy,” should lead a sort of clandestine life for a while, just to renew itself. By clandestine I mean concealed in stories, in anecdotes, in numerous forms that are not the form of the treatise. Then thought can biologically renew itself, as it were."
Roberto Calasso The art of fiction in Paris Review no. 217

NYTimes Review of Ardor By PANKAJ MISHRA

Kumbhaka studies: Breath holding and heightened arousal - Flute and shakuhachi and Bansuri inc. Japanese concept of ma, the space between the notes

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Inhaling while playing and passages of breath holding during a piece cause a racing heart, an increase in blood pressure and a physical sense of emergency. Usually, such sensations are indicative of an increase in adrenalin and/or performance anxiety. These physical symptoms for a flutist performing Heinz Holliger’s (t)air(e) should not be avoided, however. Learning a piece where silence and extreme self-control are written for dramatic effect allows a performer to experience heightened physical arousal during performance in the context of achieving an artistic goal. The symptoms therefore lose their more common negative associations. This can then be used as a pedagogical tool in building a comfort level with increases in heart rate, and breathlessness while performing.
Breath holding and heightened arousal: Composing anxiety or intensity? Jennifer A. Borkowski


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Three part post : First, Breath holding techniques for flute including video performance of (t)air(e) by Holliger. Second, Shakuhachi and 間 (ma), the space between the notes. Third, Bansuri and the breath. But first Ganesha and Krishna.



Ganesha playing flute
Krishna playing flute

Breath holding and heightened arousal: Composing anxiety or intensity? Jennifer A. Borkowski





Read and/or Download the full article at the excellent acadamia.edu
(You'll also find yoga articles by Mallinson and Birch)






http://www.notafina.de/noten/taire/1785



ma

See post Chanting or playing flute in asana http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2013/04/chanting-or-playing-flute-in-asana.html


Shakuhachi and ma (間)

After the Sengoku period (1467-1568), samurai who had lost their masters became wandering Buddhist monks called komuso “monks of emptiness”. These komuso formed the Fuke sect of Zen Buddhism and composed the honkyoku (original pieces) to play on the shakuhachi as a form of meditation. The shakuhachi was not considered to be a musical instrument at that time but rather a hoki, an instrument of spiritual practice. The honkyoku of the komuso expressed their true feelings, from the heart, as they wandered over the countryside begging for alms and wishing to be delivered from earthly desires. They were in search of the elusive ichion jobutsu – “one sound become Buddha”. The honkyoku contains elements of the komuso’s samurai training in Bujutsu (military arts) and Zen Buddhism. In Bujutsu, the distance between the two blades decides which one will survive. In Zen Buddhism, reality lies in the distance between man and nature. In honkyoku, good expression is achieved by finding the right distance or ma (space) between two notes and two phrases. How deeply the shakuhachi player considers the meaning of ma, decides the quality of his or her performance.

The difficulty in realising good ma is that honkyoku have free rhythm and no beat. This poses a difficulty for many Western trained musicians (myself included), who rely on a clearly defined rhythm and beat to give a basic flow to the piece. When learning honkyoku, the student must first copy the teacher to get a feeling for suitable ma. The student must then find his or her own expression for the piece, which in Yokoyama Sensei’s words is a desperate matter taking on life or death dimensions, where the soul of the player is laid bare for all to see! I was encouraged to play as if these were the last notes that I would ever play. Or to play for someone as if these were the last notes that they would ever hear. Straight from the heart and directly in the moment.

The notation for honkyoku functions in a similar way to tablature. Each Japanese character denotes a different fingering, while the vertical lines indicate approximately how long to hold the note and frequently, how to shape the sound. Read down the columns, from right to left, the notation is used primarily as a memory aid, with embellishments and nuances learnt orally from a teacher. The honkyoku phrasing is directly related to the breathing of the performer i.e. the length of the phrase is determined by the inhalation just as much as the inhalation is determined by the length of the phrase. Austere melodic lines and subtle changes in timbre characterise the honkyoku, which are played in the pentatonic scale named In (D, Eb, G, A/Ab, C or D, Eb, G, A, B), the equivalent of the minor scale in Western music. The honkyoku is practised as religious music. It does not aim at melodic variation or development, as Western music does. It exists as an exercise in mindfulness,inviting the performer to be fully present in each unfolding moment, each tone, each breath. The honkyoku have been transmitted from teacher to student without gap, through various schools, from the time of the master-less samurai to the present day. 




Shakuhachi notation for Jinbo Sanya




Shakuhachi musical notation http://myoanshakuhachi.blogspot.jp/2009/11/jinbo-sanya-aka-oshu-reibo.html


More on Shakuhachi and ma (間)


"In one moment of silence, become the Buddha!’’ By Philip Horan

The role of silence is an essential part of Japanese sound aesthetics. This is conceptualised in the concept of time and space called ma (間). This concept can represent moments of silence in music or empty space in ritual and performance contexts.

The old pond, ah!
A frog jumps in:
The water’s sound!

This famous haiku of Bashô (1643-94) epitomises the Japanese conception of sound and silence. In these few words we have the visual image of an old pond, the random action of a frog and the sound of water which shatters the silence. The Japanese sensibility appreciates the visual, kinesthetic and sound phenomena as one aesthetic whole. In Zen, there is non-duality and the ever-evolving nature of seemingly opposite concepts like sound and silence. In the words of Hisamatsu: “A master lives in emptiness while working in form.” (Hisamatsu 1823)

The space and silence between one-breath tones represents the ma in honkyoku. It has even been suggested that the moments of silence are more important than the moments of sound. This can be seen in other arts; e.g. in the monochrome ink-drawn paintings of sumi-e where the positioning of the blank white spaces are crucial. I will refer to the moments of ma as ‘breath silences’. It is not measurable but a felt experience.

The following are some suggestions about how to cultivate your sense of ma. This is based on my own individual journey. Getting to the essence of a honkyoku often depends on how well you have mastered the breath silences.

First, try out these different types of breath silences:

Just leave enough space to snatch a breath.
Take all the time in the world.
Try a mixture of both of the above in a honkyoku.

Listen to the sound your breathing makes in the breath silences. Is it noisy or quiet? Variety is the spice of life! The different types of in-breath can add colour to your breath silences. What are you thinking of during each breath silence? This is a trick question as your mind should be empty!

The next step is to move beyond just having enough air to finish the breath tone. This means plenty of different types of ro-buki to extend your breathing and control. Some of the most effective breath silences are when no breath is inhaled. You have taken in enough air for two short one-breath tones and pause only for effect and the expectation of an inhalation. Try holding your breath for a moment after inhaling and start at an unpredictable moment. At the end of a one-breath tone enjoy blowing out the remaining air before a sudden inhalation and start to the next part. The possibilities are endless.

How you finish a one-breath tone and start the next are crucial to how you shape your breath silence. Do you end with a meri, suri-agi or ori? Does the next breath tone come from nothingness or does it burst into existence? A tone can fade away so the boundaries of where the breath tone ends and where the breath silence begins is ambiguous.

This is only the beginning of a long journey. Aim to start and finish every breath tone differently and make every breath silence unique. The length and volume of the one-breath tones will vary as will the breath silences. You will discover revelations in the honkyoku that you will reject on a future playing. Enjoy the whistles or air sounds that happen on purpose or by accident. Play with the confused fingering, break in octave or confused tuning so they are part of the performance! Once you think you have found enlightenment, you will soon realise that there are more challenges to be overcome. Be like Basho’s frog: jump into the unknown and make a big splash!





Bansuri and the Breath

"Students frequently ask whether yoga breathing exercises are useful, to improve a players breath control, the answer being, not in any evident way. The fundamental difference between yogic breathing and that of a wind player is that in yoga, breathing involves bath the nose and mouth and the underlying principle is of regular breathing in and out. The flute player can only breathe through the mouth, and the rhythm is entirely dictated by musical necessities. However, one great advantage that Indian music has over western classical music is that it is not fixed, and the musician can adopt musical phrases and sequences to suit his/her own capacity".




2. BREATHING AND BLOWING
This constitutes the very heart and soul of bansuri playing. Through good blowing and breath control all the essential qualities of the instrument manifest; tonal quality, intonation, dynamics, rasa and bhava (the sentiment and emotional atmosphere of the raag) . Powerful blowing and stamina are must be developed. From a position of strength and power all the essential elements of bansuri playing can be expressed. The bansuri is, after all, only a simple length of bamboo with seven or eight holes, but through the power of breath it can be bought to life, coerced by the intention and will of the player to express all essential qualities. Poor and weak blowing will, only produce a thin, dry one-dimensional sound, unable to project the essentials of the music. Blowing and embouchure need priority attention, as flutes by their nature do not have the tonal contrasts and range of expression of other wind instruments.
Points to consider...

1) Exploiting full lung capacity. It is easy to fall into the habit of breathing only from the top of the lungs. Diaphragm breathing is essential in order to exploit the maximum capacity of the lungs, and also to control the dynamics of playing. Loud, soft, crescendo, diminuendo, the shaping and moulding of musical phrases are expressed and controlled by the movement of the diaphragm.

2) Posture. The basic position for the Indian musician is to sit cross legged, and yet this not an ideal position for wind instrument players. In most other traditions, wind instrument players either sit in a chair or stand, which greatly facilitates the breathing process. But for cultural and practical reasons the bansuri player always sits in cross-legged position during performance, but at other times it does not have to be this way. It is advisable to develop a flexible practice routine, sometimes practlse in the traditional position, other times sitting or standing. When sitting cross-legged, posture can be aided considerably by sitting on a cushion of about 6 cm in height, placed under the buttocks so that the knees reach down to the floor and the back then straightens, allowing the diaphragm to function more efficiently. Another way of sitting on the fleer is to kneel, sitting back on the heel (the position used by Japanese shakuhachi players), then during very long playing sessions to alternate between the two positions.

3) The development of stamina is essential. In all other traditions of flute playing, such as western classical music or jazz, there always times when the flute player can rest while other instruments play; even in carnatic music the flute player is usually accompanied by a violinist, so that he has moments to rest and recover his breath. In the hindustani tradition, the bansuri player is expected play seamlessly for long periods, of an hour or more. This is only possible when a perfect balance of intake and expenditure of energy and breath is established, Much practice of stamina building must be done. One test is to repeat a sequence, which could be , for instance, the first line of a composition followed by a tana and then returning to the line, and repeating the same without a break for up to 20 times, taking breath at the same places, and then observing any deterioration in the quality if one’s playing, increasing breathlessness, etc. If so, this will indicate that the breathing rhythm is not in balance, and more attention will need to be given to where one breathes, and how much is needed to keep the lungs full. In general, one should never continue playing until the lungs are nearly empty. oxygen deprivation will affect both physical and mental processes.

4) A general rule for all wind players of any instrument or tradition is to play long notes. Absolute steadiness, without vibrato is essential. Both low and high notes should be played, both straight and also with crescendo and diminuendo. The latter is particularly important, as in Indian music, notes rarely step suddenly, but tend to fade out and disappear into the background drone or tanpura.

5) Students frequently ask whether yoga breathing exercises are useful, to improve a players breath control, the answer being, not in any evident way. The fundamental difference between yogic breathing and that of a wind player is that in yoga, breathing involves bath the nose and mouth and the underlying principle is of regular breathing in and out. The flute player can only breathe through the mouth, and the rhythm is entirely dictated by musical necessities. However, one great advantage that Indian music has over western classical music is that it is not fixed, and the musician can adopt musical phrases and sequences to suit his/her own capacity. For a teacher writing tanas for students, it is always possible to tailor musical materials with breathing gaps, according to whether the student is a child. or adult.

6) The natural characteristic of the bansuri and all flutes is for the higher notes to have more volume and power and the lower notes to be softer and quieter, and yet the characteristic of the bansuri is to exhibit the greatest beauty and expressiveness when the player can achieve the opposite; to play strong powerful notes in the base, and soft ,delicate notes in the highest register.

from http://bansuriuk.blogspot.jp/2008/03/2-breathing-and-blowing.html


Appendix
see also




Kumbhaka in Asana practice

inspired by kumbhaka instruction in Krishnamacharya's 1938 Yoga Makaranda



Passing beyond justifying not going to Mysore

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Legitimacy is in the air, lots of discussions this week in the blogosphere and elsewhere but there's something I can't quite put my finger on.



I keep coming back to this.... something bothering me in all these discussions and I can't think of the best way to put it. I love how we're talking about 'legitimacy' not being dependent on whether one has or hasn't been to Mysore but in most of the discussions I still find included a justification for why one hasn't 'made it to Mysore'as if this needs justifying. I'm looking forward to the future when practitioners and teachers will no longer feel the need to make that justification. Or even for that matter why they are passing on the practice without having even been to an authorised teacher let alone one Certified or indeed to a teacher* at all. This is an outwardly simple practice, breath and move and focus the attention while following a few ( or a lot) of asana in a fixed (or relatively fixed) sequence. Outwardly that's surely all we need to pass on, or needs to be passed on to us. Everything else (read the essential practice) is subtle and will arise (or not) on and of it's own just by turning up and repeating the above as many times a week as we can manage.

*I want to add somewhere that teachers can be great, some wonderful wonderful teachers out there. I like the Ashtanga teacher as 'holding the room' idea, there if you want them but otherwise keeping out of your way and more importantly of the of practice doing it's stuff.

** I still say this every morning before the opening chant :

"Thank you Krishnamacharya, thank Pattabhi Jois, thank you Manju, thank you Saraswati, thank you Sharath, thank you Kristina. Thank you Ramaswami, thank you all teacher's past and present for bringing me to and maintaining me in this practice. 

May all beings be safe, may all beings be well, may all beings be peaceful, may all beings be happy"

Of the above named I've only practiced briefly with three directly, Ramaswami (five weeks), Manju (two, one week teacher trainings) and Kristina (two months), There was also a week with Richard Freeman and a weekend workshop with Norman Sjoman and John Scott ( I bring them to mind as I mention 'all other teachers' as well remembering fondly Dr. Demetrius Tegus who taught me Heidegger). I'm thanking them I think, for holding the room, the practice as well as the space in me for practice.

 Some hold the room more softly than others. 

I'm also of course thinking of Mark Darby, David Swenson, Richard Freeman and the hours and hours spent practicing along to their videos ( as well as Sharath's early on) they helped to maintain me in my practice as did David Williams and Nancy Gilgoff, Tim Miller and others, inspiring me some morning they come to mind clearly as I give thanks.

This practice comes down to us, whether we practice at home or in a shala, visit Mysore or not... and of course a room is held not just by the teacher but by the other practitioners, I should remember to thank you all also.

"Thank you all teachers and practitioners, past and present, for bringing me to and maintaining me in this practice"




Below is my earlier post with a link to the  podcast for context to the above.

Ashtanga legitimacy, to practice, to teach....

Nice segment on legitimacy here (unfortunately we don't have the context of the thread and how it evolved to give it context), thank you for this Aliya Weise​ and of course Peg Mulqueen​
I've tended to feel that just getting on the mat every day for a significant period is all you need to legitimise your practice (can't believe I'm even using the word legitimise) as well as to pass it along... and yes, call it Ashtanga Vinyasa too if you want, why the hell not. Breathe and move, breathe and move, the breath will take care of everything else of any importance, all will arise sooner or later if practiced with sincerity. 
Besides if you read Krishnamacharya and then look at what's presented as based on his teaching in Mysore today there's quite a gulf already, most seem to be quite comfortable with that (enough are looking at Krishnamacharya's early writing now for it not to be lost altogether).

I've ALWAYS felt Peg and Ashtanga Dispatch​ are all about sharing their passion and enthusiasm for practice.

I heard about the podcast from a friend this morning who's Ashtanga practice has begun to flourish of late, practices a full week often at a shala, goes to regular workshops and intensives. She had this to say

"...listening to her podcast with Aliya, made me angry.. 

part of the reason i don't called myself ashtangi.. some pple think they 'own' the practice"

LINK

See too this early post from Peg

The Call to Mysore by Aliya Weise -The Post By Aliya that Peg refer's to in the podcast on Ashtanga San Diego's website

Aliya's blog

Morning prayer/appreciation and Home practice

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SURYA: halogen parabola heater

This post comes from tweaking the appreciation section on my previous post 'Moving beyond the need to justify not going to Mysore', such that I decided to give it it's own post and add links to posts where I mention teachers.

I don't tend to post pictures in colour that often, generally I turn them into Black and White, not to be all arty but rather to reduce the flesh tones - you don't need all that flesh over morning coffee. I have a soft spot for the light here though and how it comes through the shoji screen door and as well as the tatami room behind. I love practicing in this room. So, Osaka home shala screenshot selfies but not of anything fancy just meat and potatoes  asana and perhaps all the better for it.

UPDATE: I'm actually really uncomfortable with the photos on this post which surprises me considering the number of half naked B and W photos scattered throughout the blog, colour makes a difference somehow, so too does posting them this large. I took the post down earlier then put it up up again and was just close to deleting it altogether. The pictures are supposed to suggest how intense a shorter practice can still be, one with fewer asana but more breath work. Apart from the Bharadvajreasana (which was taken weeks earlier) these are screenshots taken from a recording I made of a shorter practice, around forty minutes, unfortunately I couldn't get the ruddy thing off my phone so just took a couple of screenshots. I remember the practice clearly, it was just the Krishnamachary Sury asana, maha mudra, baddha konasana, Yoga mudra and  6 rounds each of Ujjayi and nadi sodhana in siddhasana followed by a short two minute sit ( a little along the lines of Sribhashyam's practices in Emergence of yoga but here with full vinyasa between each asana).

Slow Ashtanga, the breath lengthened... at least five long slow breaths with the appropriate kumbhaka at each stage of Surynamaskara*. often Paschimottanasana, Sarvangasana and Sirsasana, Maha mudra, Bharadvajrasana, Baddha konasana, Yoga mudra, all full vinyasa and followed by Pranayama, Pratyahara and a Sit, some mornings that's two, almost three hours right there, an Ashtanga Rishi series of sorts or something not a million miles from the shorter practice pattabhi Jois mentions at the back of Yoga Mala.

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For the last couple of years I've been saying this every morning before the opening chant 

"Thank you Krishnamacharya, thank you Pattabhi Jois, thank you Manju, thank you Saraswati, thank you Sharath, thank you Kristina. Thank you Ramaswami, thank you all teacher's past and present for bringing me to and maintaining me in this practice. 

May all beings be safe, may all beings be well, may all beings be peaceful, may all beings be happy"



Of those named above I've only practiced ( and briefly) with three directly; Ramaswami (five weeks), Manju (two, one week teacher trainings) and Kristina Karitinou (two and a half months). There was also a week with Richard Freeman and a weekend workshop with Norman Sjoman as well as two weekends with John Scott ( I bring them to mind as I mention 'all other teachers' as well remembering fondly Dr. Demetrius Tegus who introduced me to Heidegger). 

I'm thanking them I think, for holding the room, the practice as well as the space in me for practice.

 Some hold the room more softly than others. 

I'm also of course often thinking of Mark Darby, David Swenson, Richard Freeman and the hours and hours spent practicing along to their videos ( as well as Sharath's early on), they helped to maintain me in my practice as did David Williams, Nancy Gilgoff, Tim Miller and others, inspiring me.... some mornings they come to mind clearly as I give thanks.

This practice is passed along to us, whether we practice at home or in a shala, visit Mysore or not... and of course a room is held not just by the teacher but by the other practitioners, I should remember to thank you all also.

"Thank you all teachers and practitioners, past and present, for bringing me to and maintaining me in this practice"

This practice comes down to us

five breaths with kumbhaka after exhalation
five breaths with kumbhaka after exhalation

five breaths with kumbhaka after inhalation

five breaths with kumbhaka after inhalation and/or exhalation
Here, Krishnamacharya's forward facing version, twelve breaths each side (my current favourite asana).
Ujjayi pranayama
Nadi Sodhana


*In his Yoga Makaranda (1938) Krishnacharya suggests 10 minutes for each asana that make up the surynamaskara we are no doubt familiar with from Pattabhi Jois Ashtanga. There is a full vinyasa to and from each stage, I tend to stay at least five breaths in each. 
http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2013/08/what-would-krishnamacharyas-sun.html

DRISHTI : Krishnamacharya didn't seem to turn his head in certain asana that we might expect E.G Suptaparsva paddanguthasana, Trikonasana, utthita parsvakonasana

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So much for not blogging for a while (http://krishanamcharysaoriginalashtanga.blogspot.co.uk) I just ended up putting up a couple of technical posts on one of my other Krishnamacharya blogs. By the third post this week that didn't seem fair to those who have been following this blog often for a number of years so I've exported the three posts back over here. Seems we're open for business again.


On my previous post I noticed that Krishnamacharya does't turn his head in Suptaparsva paddangusthasana. I knew this was the case in Trikonasana and Utthita parsvakonasana but hadn't noticed it here in this posture. Krihnamacharya being Krishnamacharya we do find postures and variations of these very postures ( for example where both legs are taken up and over to the side) where he does turn his head but in the presentation of these basic, key asana the head remains fixed. 

As my fiend Chiara points out this may because this asana is a parsva rather than a parivrtti so no torsion there - and no continuation of the torsion with the neck.  In those later vinyasa where the whole body is twisted Krishnamacharya does tend to turn the head somewhat, in twisted marichiyasana variations also but not as far as we might expect, he doesn't seem to try and look as far over the shoulder as possible.

Krishnamacharya tended to employ bhrumadhya as his main 'drishti

However in postures where the head was down he needed to employ a different drishti and would look to the tip of his nose. These are the two drishti he employed in Yoga Makaranda (1934).

Also Krishnamacharya is employing kumbhaka (breath retention) and introducing a degree of jalandhara banddha to control the breath, keeping it long and slow and smooth like the pouring of oil, he seems to avoid twisting the neck.

Pattabhi Jois also stress bhrumadhya and nasagri (tip of the nose)

"This is the method for the first Surya Namaskara, which is often practiced while chanting mantras. For this, meditation is very important, as are the drishti, or gazing places, which include: nasagra drishti [the gaze on the tip of the nose] for samasthiti; broomadhya drishti [the gaze between the eyebrows] for the 1st vinyasa; nasagra dristri for the 2nd vinyasa; the gaze between the eyebrows for the 3rd vinyasa—in other words, for the odd-numbered vinyasas, the gaze should be focused between the eyebrows and, for the even-numbered ones, the gaze should be on the tip of the nose. In addition, for the even- numbered vinyasas, rechaka should be performed and, for the odd, one should do puraka. On the whole, the method for doing rechaka and puraka is the same for all the vinyasas and asanas ahead". Sury namaskar A Yoga Mala

But will also introduce other gazing points, here in Sury namaskar B, fingertips

"Then, taking the breath in slowly through the nose, raise the arms straight up over the head, bring the hands together, lean the head back a little, and look at the fingertips; this is the 1st vinyasa."

Originally I understand Jois employed five drishti, later this increased to nine

Manu jois mentions that it is also possible to practice with the eyes closed in which case bhrumadhya and nasagri are sufficient  unless one wishes to employ other focal points for the purpose of Dhyana/Dharana.

My impression is that the gaze for Krishnamacharya is very much a dhyana/dharana (concentration/meditation)practice and always has been, in Pattabhi Jois' later Ashtanga Drishti seems to be more about avoiding distractions and thus allowing the meditative aspect of the practice as a whole rather than the individual asana to emerge, a subtle difference perhaps.


UPDATE
While updating the earlier post with this morning's ten minute stay in Suptapada parsvapaddangustasana I remembered my old Rishi series experiments, staying for 25 or 50 breaths in ten postures a practice, working through all the postures of primary and 2nd series over a couple of weeks. i must have stayed for 25 breaths in suptapada parsvangushtasana then. here are my notes.

Supta hasta padangustasana/ Supta Parsvapadangusthasana  (25 breaths each side). I did these 25 breaths each side,in this and Supta Parsvahita below, in the usual order. The second one is the tricky one as there's strain on the neck, really need to engage the bandhas and stretch on down through the trailing leg to take the pressure off.

Notice I mentioned the strain on the neck. 

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Supta parsva padadangusthasana
"In this sthiti the head is facing upward and the other extended leg is kept straight and remains pressed against the floor". Krishnamacharya Yoga Makaranda (1934)

He seems to have been quite consistent in this. here he is in the 1938 film footage from Mysore


And again in the 1970s for the 3rd edition of Yogasanagalu




I just checked Pattabhi Jois' Yoga mala and there's no mention of turning the head either

"Perform the first ten vinyasas of Part 1. Then, doing rechaka, bring the right leg out to the right and lower it to the floor and do rechaka and puraka as much as possible; this is the 11th vinyasa. Then, doing puraka , raise the right leg, and return to the 8th vinyasa of Part 1;" Pattabhi Jois Yoga Mala



Trikonasana
"Then, keeping the legs spread no less than 3 mozhams apart, take either arm and lift it straight up, lower the other arm while keeping it straight and bring the hand down and place it on top of the foot. Study this carefully in the picture".

"This asana can be done lying down. But the back of the head, back, buttocks, the heels — all of these areas must be firmly pressed against the floor". Krishnamacharya Yoga Makaranda (1934)

Here though Pattabhi Jois has I gaze at the fingertips in Yoga Mala

"Then, turn the right foot to the right and exhaling, reach down and take hold of the big toe of the right foot with the right hand, lift up the other arm, fix the gaze on its fingertips, " Pattabhi Jois Yoga Mala


By the 1970s photoshoot for the 3rd edition of Yogasanagalu Krishnamacharya seems to be clearly looking up at his fingertips




Utthita Parsvakonasana

"Keep the shoulders such that the ear is pressed on the upper part of the bent body and the head. Stay in this position for some time". Krishnamacharya Yoga Makaranda (1934)

And again, Jois has us shift the direct to the fingertips

"...place the right hand by the side of the right foot, stretch the left arm straight out over the ear, and gaze at the fingertips;" Pattabhi Jois Yoga Mala

And in the 1970's Yogasangalu photo shoot Krishnamacharya is turning his head somewhat but not lifting the chin to look towards the fingertips



Appendix

Curiously, in Ramaswami's presentation of his studies with Krishnamacharya, Vinyasa Krama,  little reference is made of the gaze, the eyes tending to be closed or looking down at the feet,



Krishnamacharya's 3rd Son TK Sribashyam however gives a great deal of emphasis to drishti as concentration points


Concentration: the sixteen vital points
see my earlier post 

Which contains examples of General Practice employing concentration on vital points as well as pranayama in asana.


And example from the Book of Krishnamacharya's own practice to show how concentration of vital points might be employed.




Some earlier posts on Drishti



Wednesday, 5 March 2014
Updateed: DRISHTI: Overview of Drishtis indicated for the Surynamaskaras by the different authors resp. Instructors ALSO Krishnamacharya's Gaze.

Saturday, 9 August 2014
Asana, Drishti and Dhyana - Dharana

Monday, 27 October 2014
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Where to place the head in Sirsasana ( headstsnd)

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Practiced as a mudra Sirsasana vewrsion of Viparita karani, breath slowed and slowed some more, uddiyana bandha/kriya, kumbhaka, long stay

WHERE TO PLACE THE HEAD IN HEADSTAND
This was buried away in an old post of mine from a couple of years back 



So this started out as a conversation between Ryan and Chiara and myself on fb in relation to a passage on Sirsasana in Yoga Makaranda (part II)/Salutations to the teacher and the Eternal One.

"19. SIRSHASANA--HEAD STAND
This asana is so called because the head supports the whole body. This is also variously called KAPHALASANA, BRAHMASANA. These three, however, differ to some extent both in the technique and in the benefits derived. These differences have to be learnt under personal instructions form a Guru". 
YM2 p13
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Ryan C. Leier Hey Brother!  I was wondering if you have found clearly anywhere what the differences are between Sirsasana, Kapalasana and Bhramasana according to Krishnamacharya and his pupils? Love from Pune!
Sunday at 19:35

Anthony Grim Hall Hi Ryan Ramaswami refers to them in his books briefly. Basically saying the same thing as K, but then Ramaswami mentions in a comment on my blog that he was given a document to copy for his Indian Review articles, while a trustee at KYM in the 80's, that seems to have beenSalutations to the teacher the and the Eternal one (since released by AG Mohan as Yoga Makaranda part II). He does say though that it's to do with the different parts of the head. I remember a discussion a while back about which is the best part of the head to place on the ground in headstand (see claudias article below), the crown, a little forward or a little back, something to do with that perhaps. Ramaswami does say that Kapalasana ( skull posture) is unsupported, the mukta hasta sirsasana variations in Ashtanga second series with the palms on the mat.

"Sirsasana, which is also known as kapalasana and Brahnasanam, depending upon the contact part of the head on the ground (this is however to be learned from great yogis who could only tell the difference) leads itself to a variety of vinyasas". Sirsasanam Indian Review Article  16 (Written when trustee of KYM).

...you will be balancing on both your palms  and your crown. this posture is called mukta hasta sirsasana, or the headstand with the hands released. It is also know as kapala asana, or the skull pose".   p174 The Complete Book of Vinyasa yoga Srivatsa Ramaswami

My own thinking is that in some variations you might want your head a little forward of the crown (backbending in headstand) while in others a little behind the crown (forward folds in headstand). You would only do this for those variations though and not for a long stay in regular headstand. This might be why it's mentioned that you should only learn from a great guru. Best I can do.
Sunday at 22:51

Ryan C. Leier Thanks Anthony. You are so helpful. I appreciate it very much. I went to Iyengar's library to the old books and couldn't find anything yet (we had been discussing earlier if Iyengars library had a 1st edition of yogasanagalu). While watching Danny Paradise practice (AMAZING!) I saw him do headstand pretty much on his forehead. I am interested to see so many Ashtangis on the forehead and Iyengarian's (Is that a word?) on the crown.
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Chiara added
 "I have been taught to extend one hande with the thumb in the ear to the middle finger onto the head, and the pther hand with the thumb on the nose to the middle finger on the head, where they touch is where you should stand".

Was quite amused to find myself a sitting here trying that out, must have looked quite ridiculous
Scarf because our boiler's packed up, no heating so a chilly practice this morning.
This seems to be a little further forward than I generally place my head......or so I thought. just fished out a picture of me actually in headstand and that point above seems to be exactly where i place my head, I always thought I had it further back than that.


Anthony Grim Hall Hi Guys just got back from work. There is that thing in Ashtanga where most of the weight is taken on the arms, perhaps that's where Danny is coming from....he looks light as a feather too. Like you Chiara I tend to do my long stays on the crown of my head but I seem to remember Ramaswami mentioning it's better to place it a little further back ( i will need to double check this), not too much but just a little further back.
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Some confusion about where the crown of the head is. I think in the discussion above we're referring to the crown as the top of the head, the highest point, but the crown is actuality that place where the hair swirls around, just back a little from the top of the head (See also David Coultar's Anatomy of Hatha Yoga for a long discussion).

Claudia clears things up in this post over at her blog over at he blog Ashtanga Yoga mother Earth


"As a reference: The crown of the head is located in the area where your hair spirals out as opposed to the bregma part of the head which (see yellow skull image) is the area where the skull joins the frontal to the parietal bones. This area is soft for babies as the suture does not harden for a while after being born.



"...natural response to the crown headstand is to hold the body straight, to keep the lower back flat."



"In the bregma headstand it is more natural to permit the lower back to relax and arch forward allowing gravvity to increase the lumbar lordosis."



"The bregma headstand has a more dynamic effect on your consciousness than the crown headstand"..."The crown headstand is calm and poised"".


So that gives us two points of the head for headstand, the crown and the Bregma, the third perhaps is the forehead as seen in the picture of Sharath above.

I also came across this in  Andre Van Lysebeth's Yoga Self-Taught,  where he seems to be using the top of the head for regular sirsasana but further forward from Kapalasana, take a look...


Van Lysebeth, you may remember, studied pranayama for a short while with Sri K. Pattabhi Jois and famously included Pattabhi Jois' address at the back of his book which led Norman Allan to Mysore.

Update
Excellent, found this source for Brahmasana from Brahmachari-Dhirendra's Yogasana Vijnana (1970)
Firstly he writes about Sirsasana


And then a couple of pages later we have this, where he seems to be referring to the bregma as Brahmanandhra. Does placing the head at Brahmanandhra suggest your in Brhamanasana?


Do these points correspond to those which Krishnamacharya is referring too?

Crown of the head for Sirsasana

Bregma or Brahmanandhra from Brahmasana

and closer to the forehead as in Mukta hasta sirsasana (with the palms flat) for Kapalasana

Here's the quote again

19. SIRSHASANA--HEAD STAND
This asana is so called because the head supports the whole body. This is also variously called KAPHALASANA, BRAHMASANA. These three, however, differ to some extent both in the technique and in the benefits derived. These differences have to be learnt under personal instructions form a Guru. 
YM2 p13



So some questions

Where do YOU place YOUR head?



Have you been adjusted, asked to place your head differently?



What reasons have you been given for placing the head 'just so'?



And has anybody explained to you the difference between SIRSHASANA, KAPHALASANA and BRAHMASANA?

And while on the topic of headstands  SEETHE FOLLOWING POST

INVERSIONS: Krishnamacharya's head and shoulderstand variations 1934-1980s



To approach it safely you'll want to have been working on regular headstands for sometime especially Middle group niralumba sirsasana ( headstand with less and without support, see below)

 * Brahmasana is also a seated posture
"Brahmasana may be tried. This is similar to the above but the toes of the feet are not placed between the thigh and the calf. The sole of the left foot is placed below the right thigh touching it. The sole of back of the right foot is placed on the left thigh, with the sole facing upwards. Both the knees should be touching the blanket." YM2 p119

INVERSIONS: Krishnamacharya's head and shoulderstand variations 1934-1980s

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I've been having a fun week revisiting Ramaswami's Vinyasa Krama Supine and Inverted sequences, exploring them within the context of Ashtanga.
At first I would practice a regular Ashtanga Primary ( Krishnamacharya approach) and just add in the extra head and shoulder stand variations when I reached the inversion section of finishing.
By yesterday I was practicing Krishnamachaya's approach to the asana of the sun salutation but then moving straight into the shoulder stand preparation followed by forty odd minutes of inversions. I'd finish with maha mudra, buddha konasana, padmasana and on into pranayama and a sit.



Sharath, director of KPJAYI and Pattabhi Jois' grandson has mentioned in several recent 'conferences' that longer headstands may be beneficial ('...although not in the shala, too busy'). An evening, rest day or moon day may be an opportunity to explore Krishnamacharya's variations in inversions especially upon consideration that they can be traced back to all the other elements of the current Ashtanga system. 


To approach it safely you'll want to have been working on regular headstands for sometime especially Middle group niralumba sirsasana ( headstand with less and without support, see below)
See previous post "where to place the head in headstand"

Often, due to my slower breath and employment of Kumbhaka I will separate the inversions out from the rest of my practice, because of the possibilities the variations hold it can make a pretty complete standalone practice, perhaps in the evening, a nice lead in to pranayama practice and a sit.

Although the variations are fun, useful and encourage longer stays  it's good not to forget they can also be approached as mudra, under the name/title of viparita karani, to slow the breath and then slow the breath some more, perhaps including a very short kumbhaka (breath retention) of a couple of seconds. It's interesting that Krishnamacharya's son Sribashyam offers alternatives for inversions that rather than working towards these postures offer instead asana or mudra that encourage slowing of the breath suggesting that this is the main purpose of inversions see this earlier post

Krishnamacharya's alternatives to Headstand in his third son Sri Sribhashyam's book Emergence of yoga.


Practiced as a mudra Sirsasana vewrsion of Viparita karani, breath slowed and slowed some more, uddiyana bandha/kriya, kumbhaka, long stay

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It is often noted that Krishnamacharya appeared to change his teaching drastically after leaving Mysore in 1950s. One suggestion is that this was in response to no longer being on a salary from the Mysore palace. The suggestion being that in Mysore he was free to teach exactly what he wanted to teach whereas after leaving Mysore he had to take into account his paying customers and perhaps soften his approach or focus more on therapeutic benefits.

However when we look at Sarvangasana and Sirsasana (shoulderstand and headstand) in Krishnamacharya's teaching we see little change perhaps between the early Mysore and post Mysore years.

NOTE: Most of the information we have regarding Krishnamacharya's teaching in Mysore is to the young boys of the Mysore palace where perhaps a highly structured and disciplined approach may have been required. Krishnamacharya's family mention that he would however have assistants (for example the teenage Pattabhi Jois, who would often take the main class through their practice, perhaps while Krishnamacharya himself taught individual students/patients in a side room). The Maharaja of Mysore himself was of course a student and patient of Krishnamacharya as was Indra Devi.


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Yoga Makaranda Part I  (1934)

In Krishnamacharya's Yoga Makaranda (1934) written while in Mysore and teaching the young Pattabhi Jois as well as BKS Iyengar, we find Shoulder stand and Headstand variations that we are perhaps familiar with from modern Ashtanga. The headstands below are found at the end of the current 2nd/Intermediate Ashtanga series, four of the seven variations.

However at the back of Yoga Makaranda we also find this, niralumba sarvangasana, unsupported shoulderstand and this doesn't appear in any of the modern Ashtanga series.


The headstand variation below seems to have come from the same photo shoot as that conducted for Yoga Makaranda although the picture didn't appear in the text.

Yoga Makaranda ends with the photos of head and shoulder stands above but not the instructions for how to perform them, these are promised in a planned 'part II'. Why would Krishnamacharya leave these handful of head and shoulder stands out of the text unless perhaps there were many more variations that he was planning on sharing, too many perhaps to be included in the 'first Part'.



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1938 Fim footage (Mysore)

In 1938, only four years after Yoga Makaranda, we have the documentary footage filmed in Mysore. The full movie runs to around 45 minutes and includes demonstrations by Krishnamacharya and his family including BKS Iyengar, Krishnamacharya's student and son-in-law. the section below featuring Krishnamacharya mostly concentrates on inversions.


Sarvangasana variations demonstrated by Krishnamacharya
Krishnamcharya sarvangasana variations 1938

Krishnamcharya sarvangasana variations 1938

Krishnamcharya sarvangasana variations 1938
Sirsasana variations demonstrated by Krishnamacharya
Krishnamcharya sirsasana variations 1938
Sirsasana variation demonstrated by Krishnamacharya's wife.

More Sarvangasana variations demonstrated by krishnamacharya's wife. 1938
Sirsasana variation demonstrated by BKS Iyengar
Sirsasana mandala variations demonstrated by Krishnamacharya's student and Son-in-law, BKS Iyengar. 1938

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Salutations to the teacher, the eternal one/ Yoga Makaranda Part II (date unconfirmed possibly 1950's)

This text includes a section on Shoulderstands and headstands and is considered by AG Mohan to constitute Part II of Yoga Makaranda

Here are a couple of sample pages, the full 41 page text can be downloaded from my Googledocs page.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7JXC_g3qGlWemJSRVhtLXFlSVU

Notes from Yoga Makaranda part II

"In designing the SIRSHASANA and SARVANGASANA the rishis have automatically removed the above difficulties by adopting the topsy-turvy posture by which gravity will now aid in the free flow of blood to the organs of perception and also aid in restoring the organs in the lower part of the body to their normal places. 

These two asanas are both preventive and curative. In the case of those, however, who are unduly fatty, it is imperative that the body should first acquire some suppleness in the movement of the limbs by practicing mudras and pranayamas, before attempting these asanas.

Sayanacharya in his commentary on Patanjali’s YOGASUTRAS has given a lot of practical details to be observed in the practice of asanas. The main objective of SIRSHASANA and SARVANGASANA are not merely to arrange for a copious supply of blood to the head and upper part of the body but also to slow down the respiratory rate. 

When SIRSHASANA has been sufficiently mastered, the breathing rate which normally is about 15-18 a minute, automatically comes down to four a minute. The aim should be to reduce it to, two per minute. Thus at this rate, 24 rounds of breathing in SIRSHASANA will take 12 minutes.

It is laid down that SIRSHASANA should be done only in the mornings. This should always be followed by SARVANGASANA. The proper procedure is to do SIRSHASANA with 24 deep inhalations and exhalations. Take two minutes rest. Then do SARVANGASANA with 24 rounds of deep breathing. Take two minutes rest. Follow with some sitting asana. 

In SIRSHASANA the organs in the head and the brain get a copious supply of blood, the internal organs in the body get displaced upwards. The two minutes rest normalizes. In SARVANGASANA the blood supply to the head is restricted by resting the body on the neck and making the chin lock. The thyroid and the upper part of the internal organs of the body get displaced upwards. The two minutes rest normalizes. When a sitting asana is now done the internal organs regain their proper positions. This is the reason behind doing the asanas in this particular order.
Sayanacharya has mentioned six specific asanas for daily practice. He however prescribes that along with these some other asanas (this may vary each day) should be done.

In SIRSHASANA, normally no kumbhakam need be done (in the beginning), though about two seconds ANTHAR and BAHYA kumbhakam automatically result when we change over from deep inhalation to deep exhalation and vice versa. During the automatic pause, kumbhakam takes place. When after practice has advanced and kumbhakam is deliberately practised, ANTHAR kumbhakam can be done up to 5 seconds during each round and BAHYA kumbhakam up to 10 seconds.

In SARVANGASANA, there should be no deliberate practice of ANTHAR kumbhakam, 10
but BAHYA kumbhakam can be practiced up to 5 seconds in each round.
These deep breathings along with the asana help in slowing down the breathing rate with a consequent elongation of life. Sayanacharya prescribes that the number of deep breaths one should practice per day should not be less than 320. This number could be spread out during the day-some may be done along with asana in the morning and evening, some along with pranayama, morning, noon, evening and at midnight, or whenever some spare time is
found".

There are instructions for a few of the sarvangasana subroutines in Yoga Makaranda part II

SALAMBA SARVANGASANA - SHOULDER STAND WITH SUPPORT
from Yoga Makaranda 1934, Mysore

This asana tones up all the centres, nerves, organs, joints etc. and hence is called SARVANGASANA. The asana is of two kinds with support and without support, the former is dealt with below.

Technique:
1. Lie flat on the back, with legs stretched, knees close together and toes pointed. Raise the head and align the toes, knees and hand and return the head to the floor placing the chin on the chest. The arms lie stretched close by the side of the body with the palms touching the floor, fingers closed.
2. Inhale and exhale slowly and deeply with a rubbing sensation in the throat, through both nostrils three or four times.
3. Slowly exhale and raise both legs together. Bring the body to an upright position, the neck resting on the ground. Bend the elbows and bring the palms up to support the back on either side of the backbone, the palms being placed as near the shoulder blades as possible. The elbows should not spread out but be placed as close as possible, the distance between them will be about 12 inches.

NIRALAMBA SARVANGASANA - SHOULDER STAND WITHOUT SUPPORT


Yoga Makaranda, 1934, Mysore

Technique:

1. Take three steps of Salamba Sarvangasana, so that the body is now resting on the back of the neck.
2.Reach the halasana position variation 2. 
3.While inhaling, raise both the legs together, legs being kept together and stretched, to an upright position, the arms still continuing to lie stretched behind the head.
4. Do deep breathing and try and balance the body so that the weight is supported by the shoulders. Try and lift the arms so that the palms rest on the thighs.
5. Take deep breaths.

Note: Start with 3 deep breaths. This number may slowly be increased by one round each week. Every care should be taken that there is no strain. The number of deep breaths can be increased to a maximum of 64.
6. Retrace the steps; the arms being taken to the position behind the head, the legs lowered to the Halasana positon, then raised to the upright position and get to the Sarvangasana with support position. The body is brought to the lying down position flat on the back, by a rolling movement as in the case of Salamba sarvangasana.
Note: This asana should not be attempted before mastering the Salamba Sarvangasana, halasana, ekapada Sarvangasana.
Benefits: Of the various types of Sarvangasana this gives the maximum benefits. The thyroid gets special benefits. The waist line is reduced. The liver is toned. This asana cures gastric troubles and piles. It also prevents these diseases.

HALASANA - PLOUGH POSE



After Sarvangasana, Halasana has to be mastered before taking up the practice of Niralamba Sarvangasana. Hence Halasana is being dealt with at this stage. The final posture resembles the plough and hence the name.


Technique:

1. After coming to the Sarvangasana position, with the back upright, legs stretched and chin locked, Halasana is done as an extension.

2. The palms which support the back are brought down to touch the ground, so that the arms lie stretched with the palms down i.e., touching the ground, the fingers together and stretched. The distance between the palms should be about 12 to 18 inches.

3. While slowly exhaling, bring both the legs together slowly so that the toes touch the ground as far as possible. The back of the toes should touch the ground and not the tip of the fingers. This is done by bending at the hips, the back being as upright as possible and maintaining the chinlock. The legs have to be kept together straight and stretched, the knee together, the toes pointed and together, the thigh and calf muscles stretched.


Variation: 
There are a number of variations and these are given below. These are progressively more difficult.


1. In this variation the fingers of the outstretched arms are interlocked with the palms turned outwards and the thumbs touching the ground.

2. In the next variation the outstretched arms are brought behind the head, with a circular sweeping motion, the arms touching the ground till they are in a line with the shoulders. The palms are now upturned and the sweeping motion continued till the palms are near the toes.

3. After reaching the position in 2 above, the elbows are bent and the forearms are brought together to rest at the back of the top of the head. The right palm to catch the left elbow and the left palm catching the right elbow.

4. The next variation is where the forearms instead of being taken to the top of the head, are taken above the knees at the back of the legs. Thus the forearms are locked over the legs above the knee joint. The knees should not be bent.


Note: The positions described above give the final positions to be reached. But this may not be possible at the beginning of the practice. No attempt should be made to reach these positions by force. The bending should be made to the extent conveniently possible. With the deep inhalations and exhalations, the abdominal muscles get toned up and the body becomes more and more supple as practice advances. It is important to watch that at no stage is the body strained which will be indicated by the breathing getting laboured. By aiming to lower the toes by not more than 2-4 inches a week there should be no strain and the final position will be attained as practice advances.


4. Slowly and deeply, inhale and exhale, through both nostrils with rubbing sensation in the throat. The number of these deep breaths should in no case exceed six times.

5. While slowly inhaling the legs are raised together and brought to the upright position.

6. The body is brought to the lying down position flat on the back, by a rolling movement as in the case of Salamba Sarvangasana.

7. Rest for at least a minute.


A: PARSVA HALASANA - Section A.



Technique:

1. Take the first three steps of Salamba Sarvangasana. The body is now resting on the nect, the legs are lifted in an upright position and the back is supported by the palms.
2. Lower the stretched legs by bending at the hips, and by giving a slight twist at the hips, so that the toes which should be pointed, touches the ground at a point 21⁄2 feet to the right of the right ear. This movement is done while exhaling. The legs should be together and kept stretched throughout. The right palm should firmly support the body at the back, so that when the legs are lowered to the right of the body, the trunk of the body may not also bend to the right side, the trunk should remain upright, and facing to the front.


Note: This asana should be done with the movement in step 2, always, first towards the right of the body.
3.Take three deep breaths. There should be no holding of breath. 
4.Swing the stretched legs with the hips as centre, so that the toes describe an arc of a 
circle on the ground, at the back of the head, till the toes reach a position, 21⁄2 feet to the left of the left ear.
5.While inhaling, lift the legs to the upright central position. 
6.Take two deep breaths. 
7.Now repeat the previous movements, by lowering the legs to the left of the body. 
This is steps 2 to 6 exclusive, except that “left” should be used wherever the word “right” has been used, and the word “right” where the word “left” has been used.
8.Do the normal Halasana, Central with the toes just behind the head. 
9.Take three deep breaths. 
10.While inhaling raise the legs to the right position. 
11.Take two deep breaths. 
12.Exhale, bend the knees, so that they approach the throat, remove the support of the 
palms, lower the hips so that the back rests on the ground, and then stretch the legs so that the whole forms a rolling movement.

13. Take rest.


Note: This asana can also be done as practice advances, without supporting the back with the palms. In this variation the arms are kept stretched as in step 1.


Benefits:

1. Tones up the liver and spleen. Prevents the disorder of these organs and effects a cure if these organs are disordered.
2. Reduces excessive urination.

PARSVA HALASANA Section - B.

Though this is a variation of Parsva Halasana-A it is introduced only here, as there will be greater facility in doing this asana if the asana previously described viz., Suptha Konasana is practised first.


Technique:
The first two steps are the same as in the case of Parsva Halasana.


3. Move only the left leg in an arc, the toe always touching the ground, till the leg takes a position as far to the left of the body as is conveniently possible. The leg is moved while exhaling, and inhaling is done while the leg is at rest. The movement of the leg may be done by stages at first. As practice advances, the leg may be moved in a single movement.
4.Take six deep breaths. 
5.Bring the left leg back to the right, till the two legs are together. 
6.While inhaling, lift both the legs together, till they are upright and in the central 
position.

7. Repeat on the right side.

8-10. These steps are the same as in steps 
11, 12 and 13 of Parsva Halasana.


Note: The palms of the hands support the hips throughout the asana.


EKAPADA SARVANGASANA



Technique:
1. After reaching the position indicated as the second variation of Halasana, hold the toes with thumb and forefinger of the respective hands.
2. While inhaling raise any one of the legs to the upright position as in Sarvangasana. The palm of the hand on the same side as the leg raised is also lifted so that when the leg is upright, the palm of the land rests on the thigh.
3.Do Pranayama. 
4.While exhaling lower the leg and move back the hand to the same position as at the 
beginning.
5. Now repeat with the other leg.

Note: In the beginning the position described may not be possible. Some support to the back may be necessary at the beginning. The asana may therefore be done by starting with the first position in Sarvangasana when both legs are upright and the back supported by the palms and while exhaling slowly bring down one leg at a time, so that the leg reaches behind the head as in Halasana. The palms of the hands will still continue supporting the back. The necessary rounds of Pranayama are done in this position. Now repeat with the other leg. Bring the body to lie flat on the back with the usual rolling motion as described in Sarvangasana.
The pranayama in stage (3) will be done both holding in of breath after inhalation and holding out of breath after exhalation. The period of holding in of breath will be 4 seconds and the period of holding out of breath will be 2 seconds. The number of rounds of pranayama for each leg will be 3 rounds at the beginning which will be gradually raised as practice advances to six rounds.

URDHVAKONASANA

This asana has to be practised as a preliminary measure before taking up the practice of the next asana to be described - 

Technique:
1. Start with Sarvangasana, with the legs upright, stretched, knees together, the back supported by the palms.
2. Exhale and spread the legs still keeping them stretched, so that both legs spread equally on either side.
3.Inhale and bring the legs together. 
4.Rest. 
The number of turns should be only 2 rounds in the first week, and three rounds from the second week and four rounds after a month. 

After this asana has been mastered, 

EKA PADA SARVANGASANA


Technique:

1. Start with the Sarvangasana position where both the legs are upright, stretched, knees together, and the back supported by the palms.
2. While exhaling, bring one of the legs to the side. The left leg to the left side, and the right leg to the right side. The leg is kept stretched and leg lowered till the toe touches the ground and the leg is at right angles to the body. It will be necessary slightly to twist the leg for the toe to touch the ground. All this while the other leg should continue to be kept upright.
3. While inhaling the leg is brought back to the upright position. 
4. Some deep inhalations and exhalations are made in this position to give some rest. 
5. Repeat with the other leg. Each leg should be alternately exercised, and each leg 
moved the same alternatively exercised, and each leg moved the same number of times.

6. When both legs have come together after the necessary number of rounds, reach the lying flat on the back position with a rolling movement as in the case of Sarvangasana.

7. Rest.
Note: In the beginning it will not be possible to bring the leg down enough for the toes to reach the ground. No attempt should be made to force down the leg to reach this position. On the other hand effort should be made so that the leg does not sink down to a position so far down as to strain the muscles. It is important to see that the other leg is kept upright and stretched. As practice advances the final position will be reached.



UTTANA MAYURASANA



This is the name given to this asana according to Raja Yoga. According to Hatha Yoga the same asana has been classed under Supthapada Angusta Asana.


This is closely related to Sarvangasana. It has a number of variations and some of them are given below.
1. Start with the first three steps of Salamba Sarvangasana. 
2. Get into the position of Halasana variation 2.
3. Now bring the palms of the hand to support the hips. Note the position of the palms and the fingers in this asana carefully. The palms are at the hip level and the fingers are pointing to the front. The position of the palms and fingers therefore differ from these of Sarvangasana. The position is such that the body can effectively be supported when finally it takes a horizontal position. the elbows in this asana will be closer than in Sarvangasana. 
4. While inhaling, lift both the legs together, so that the legs get to the vertical position and the movement continued till the heels touch the ground the body forming an arch, and is supported by the heels, elbows, shoulders and the back of the head.
Note: For beginners lifting the legs keeping them stretched may be difficult. For them to make the movement easier, the legs may be bent at the knees, the heels brought near the buttocks, and the bent legs now lifted so that the thighs occupy a vertical position. The movement is further continued by bending the body further at the hips, so that the body forms an arch. The legs are also somewhat straightened, so that the soles of the feet rest on the ground. Each leg is then straightened, till both of them are stretched, toes pointed and knees together. As practice advances, the position can be reached without bending the knees.
6. Lift the head and the shoulders, so that the body is supported only by the heels, and the two elbows.

Note: For beginners lifting both the head and the shoulders may not be possible. They should therefore try to lift only the head at first, so that the shoulders may act as supports. As practice advances, after the head has been lifted, and the body balanced, the shoulders should also be lifted 
and the final position reached.



7. In this final position not more than three deep breathings should be done. There should be no retention of breath.
8. Rest for some time.


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Yogasanagalu 1941 (3rd edition 1972)

In the asana table in Krishnamacharya's second book Yogasanagalu (1941) Krishnamacharya seems to be referring to those headstands introduced pictorial in Yoga Makaranda part I.

However for the third edition Krsihnamacharya seems to have had new pictures made up especially for the new edition.

 "In order to publish the 3rd edition of the book “Yogasanagalu” and to help men, women, youth, old and patients practice appropriately, I used a new set of photos and expanded and altered many the topics regarding the practice". from the preface ( Yogasanagalu translation here)

Head and shoulder stand variations are treated extensively, many we have seen demonstrated in the 1938 film footage suggesting a consistency of practice and pedagogy.

Krishnamacharya demonstrating Sarvangasana variations, Yogasanagalu 4th edition (1984)

Krishnamacharya demonstrating Sarvangasana variations, Yogasanagalu 4th edition (1984)

Krishnamacharya demonstrating Sirsasana variations, Yogasanagalu 4th edition (1984)

Krishnamacharya taught the above variations and more besides to his long term student Srivatsa Ramaswami who collected them together in his books Yoga for the three stages of Life and  The complete book of Vinyasa Yoga following Krishnamacharya's own suggestion for the arrangement of the asana into groups. On Ramaswami's TT course at LMU in 2010 I showed him the pictures in the photocopy of Yogasangalu that I had just been sent and he mentioned that he remembered the photo's being taken as he was personally given a set at the time.

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Vinyasa Krama Shoulderstand and Headstand sequences as presented by Srivatsa Ramaswami, student of Krishnamacharya for over 30 years, from 1950s-80s

plus
Practice sheets from my Vinyasa Yoga Practice book.
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Below is a speeded up practice closely based on Ramaswami's presentation of inversions.

Krishnamacharya recommended to Ramaswami that he practice inversions following these general guidelines.

1. Preparatory supine asana
2. Legs relaxed for 3-5 minutes in Sarvangasana
3. Pratkriya ( perhaps salabhasana, danhurasana)
4. Sirsasana practiced as mudra, viparita Karani ( ie no variations)
5. 2nd Sarvangasana , this time with variations
6. Pratkriya (counterposture(s) 
7. 2nd Sirsana, with variations.
8. Seated asana

See my earlier blogpost replicating a section from my practice book on preparing for shoulder stand




Practice sheets from my Vinyasa Yoga  Practice book

Practice sheets from my Vinyasa Yoga  Practice book

Practice sheets from my Vinyasa Yoga  Practice book

Practice sheets from my Vinyasa Yoga  Practice book




Sharath, director of KPJAYI and Pattabhi Jois' grandson has mentioned in several recent 'conferences' that longer headstands may be beneficial ('...although not in the shala, too busy'). An evening, rest day or moon day may be an opportunity to explore Krishnamacharya's variations in inversions especially upon consideration that they can be traced back to all the other elements of the current Ashtanga system. 

Benefits of Shoulderstand and headstand are outlined in Ramaswami's newsletter 


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Appendix
The next two pictures seem to be earlier than those shot for the 3rd edition of Yogasanagalu, 1960's perhaps



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"Why then has Pattabhi Jois presented the practice of asana/vinyasa differently from what his teacher taught"?

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I was asked the above question on fb, here's my short fb answer/guess with some links.


"Why then has Pattabhi Jois presented the practice of asana/vinyasa differently from what his teacher taught"? 

I've put up posts about the four year syllabus Pattabhi Jois was asked to teach at the Sanskrit college around 1940 based no doubt on the Krishnamacharya's Primary, middle and advanced group table that turned up in Yogasanagalu(1941).

See this post: Complete Yogasanagalu asana table .

As a syllabus it needed to be relatively fixed. He seems to have found it a useful teaching model so essentially kept it and taught it to the western students when they came. he gave Nancy and David a copy of the syllabus in 1973/4.

Page 1 of 4 See this post : The 'Original' Ashtanga yoga Syllabus given to Nancy Gilgoff and David Williams by Sri K Pattabhi Jois in 1974 Mysore

It's curious re Kumbhaka, I can find no evidence that Pattabhi Jois ever practiced it in Asana other than perhaps kukkutasana (where nauli is mentioned). Manju is adamant that his father didn't and went so far as to say it was wrong.

See this post Manju TT Q and A

It's possible that Krishnamacharya never taught kumbhaka in asana to Jois or the boys of the palace other than perhaps having them chant while holding a posture (which would involve breath retention - see the Manju TT Q and A link above).

Chanting while holding an asana can be considered kumbhaka,  See THIS post

Krishnamacharya may have saved kumbhaka for his private students and patients.

Surely though Pattabhi Jois had Krishnamacharya's Yoga Makaranda on the table beside him as he wrote Yoga Mala, he surely would have explored it himself after reading Krishnamacharya's text, and yet decided not to include it, for whatever reason, in the Yoga syllabus he was teaching at the sanskrit college.

He doesn't even seem to have taught it to his children although it's something I would love to ask Saraswati.

Pattabhi Jois does seem to have mentioned long stays, the Rishi series for example ( David Williams asked what/how to practice after Advanced B) where ten postures are supposedly held for fifty breaths, also Manju says his father would stay for long periods of time in certain postures.

See this post : The Ashtanga Rishi Series

We also know that Pattabhi Jois talked about very long and slow breathing, 10, 15 even 20 second inhalations and equal exhalation.



Pattabhi Jois was a realist however and understood that practicing this slowly and with longer stays would take hours, he seems to have been more attached to the fixed sequence and thus happier to compromise with the length of the breath and the number taken in a posture, at least with beginners.

See this post:Research: Full Vinyasa Primary, 10 long slow full inhalations and exhalations in every asana. How Long?

Pattabhi Jois was also flexible with the sequence if the need called for it and in the beginning....

See this post: Flexibility within the system of Ashtanga ; Pattabhi Jois' Yoga Mala

he seems to have encouraged pranayama after asana practice (although adapted the criteria for this perhaps as the numbers visiting KPJAYI increased).

Pattabhi Jois teaching pranayama to Richard Freeman


Afterword.

So some small difference in presentation perhaps but essentially the practice is the same (although personally I suspect kumbhaka to be essential but that's just my own prejudice),

*Movement follows breath, stay for a bit, repeat.

The fixed sequence is a useful pedagogic tool but a wise teacher will no doubt respect your exploration of different options and approaches to your practice over time, which may include taking longer, slower, inhalations and exhalations, staying longer in certain postures practicing half a series to allow time for such explorations of the breath and why not perhaps introducing kumbhaka and seeing how that fits for you.
The teachers job, as I see it, is merely to expose you to these options, especially when they come from within the tradition, to be available for you and allow you the space, hold the space, for you to grow your practice.... even if this means moving away from the approach to practice the teacher may themselves hold dear.

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* How fast you move will depend on the breath, it's natural to explore, "What if I breathe more slowly, what if I breath more quickly?" as well as to notice the pause between the inhalation and exhalation, the exhalation and inhalation, the natural, automatic, kumbhaka, "What if I hold it longer, what if I try to eliminate it altogether"? And while you stay for a bit, what do you do, read a book, think about whatever comes up, look around the room or continue to follow the breath, to fix one's attention either externally or internally. " ...and how long should I stay in this and what of this...what if I stay longer here, less time there?" And how long to keep repeating, if the rajas, the agitation, is less then perhaps I can repeat less and stay here for more than a bit, for longer, much longer and just follow the breath or focus on an object, the absence of an object. 
And then repeat, daily.


" The word Guru has become a doubtful concept" TKV Desikachar

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TKV Desikachar with His father T. Krishnamacharya
Krishnamacharya sonTKV Desikachar in conversation with Rajiv Mehrotra

Rajiv Mehrotra has been a personal student of HH The Dalai Lama for more than thirty years & describes himself as “a most unworthy chela” of his. Till 2012 he was the host one of the country’s longest running, and most widely viewed talk shows on public Television, In Conversations. It was rated the most watched programme in its genre across all television channels in India. He was a familiar face on Indian television for more than 40 years.

Encountering T. Krishnamacharya

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Krishnamacharya teaching - photo unrelated to post below.


from Revisiting T. Krishnamacharya – founder of modern yoga _ Radhika's blog

"The modern, professional-looking and bustling Krishnamacharya Yoga Mandiram set up in his memory is a far cry from the spartan house in Gopalapuram (in Chennai) where I first encountered Krishnamacharya, and yoga. I was a young teenager on my summer vacation after my first year out of high school, when I was appointed by my father to accompany my invalid mother, who had suffered successive accidents that had rendered her virtually immobile and almost always in pain, to Chennai. There, Krishnamacharya, whom my father knew through a common friend, was going to use yoga to help her heal. For a young teen to be asked to spend her annual vacation in a city with no friends, and with nothing to do but to escort an infirm parent to some old healer every day, was not the most attractive deal. But my authoritarian father was not one to be questioned, and I resigned myself to my fate.

Every day, once in the morning and again in the early evening, my mother and I would take a taxi from our hotel to Krishnamacharya’s home for an hour’s instruction. He always appeared remote, wrapped in some self-sufficient world that did not require communication with visitors beyond classroom instruction. His was not a severe face; indeed it was a handsome sharp-featured one, with large luminous eyes and an enigmatic smile that lit up his features, although the reason for its existence did not seem to be to enhance social interaction. I don’t remember him ever make small talk, or even show the slightest interest in us beyond addressing my mother’s ailments. But he gave us his undivided and intense attention while teaching, and taught my mother with great gentleness.

Within a couple of days of starting her instruction, he seemed to notice my presence, and commanded me to take my place on another mat. I complied wordlessly; his voice did not give me a choice. For the next two months, every morning and evening, he taught me yoga with the same attentiveness that he showed my mother, even though teaching me was not part of the original understanding with him. He also taught me how to assist my mother in performing her asanas. He demanded the slowest of breathing and movement, and his hawk eyes never left me for a minute, making sure that every movement was executed absolutely correctly. I learnt to be terrified of him, as he was as ferociously strict with me as he was gentle with my mother. But I could also sense his restrained pleasure in seeing me respond easily to the instruction, young as I was and unhampered by ailments; and the perfection that he expected from every movement, and his unrelenting supervision, motivated me to try harder to come up to his expectations. By the end of our time with him, he had even taught me the Sirasasana (head stand).

At the end of the two months, our relationship with Krishnamacharya terminated as abruptly as it had begun. My mother had improved vastly. And I had discovered that I had a naturally supple body. We went back to our lives in Bombay and in due course, I stopped doing my yoga practice and forgot all about the old man who looked, lived and behaved like an ascetic, and who had introduced me to what was potentially a whole new world, a significance that I did not grasp at the time".


from later in the same post

"I was in Pune with my family on holiday, and we happened to drive past a signboard on a gate announcing the B.K.S. Iyengar School of Yoga. On impulse, I hopped off telling my family that I would meet them back at the hotel. It was an intriguing looking campus, with complex yoga postures sculpted along the walls of the compound. I had never been in quite such a place. It looked a bit weird. I saw some lights on the first level, and my excitement mounted as I took the curving flight of stairs going up. I couldn’t believe that I had actually found the ‘source’ of the global phenomenon that was Iyengar! All those people in all those distant foreign countries waiting for him to turn up for a Master class… And here he was, in my own home, so to say…

At the top of the stairs I stopped short in total astonishment. On the wall to my left was a larger than life black and white portrait of Krishnamacharya, hands folded in namaskar, his luminous face and enigmatic smile exactly as I remembered it. I hesitated for a moment, staring at it …after all these years… what was the old man doing here? I raced across the hall to the lone person sitting behind one of the many empty counters.

“Excuse me”. He looked up with the blank clerical face that you see behind every counter in every office.

“The office is closed. Come back later”. And he went back to whatever he was doing.

“I need to know…Who is the man in that photograph?”

No reply.

“Who is he? And what is his connection with this place?”

He looked momentarily startled by the urgency in my voice (and probably as much by my question). But his clerical instinct bounced back. “I told you, no? Office is closed. Come back in the evening”.

I stood my ground and repeated my question twice more before he could bring himself to answer what he clearly thought was a lunatic woman.

“Why do you want to know?”

“Because I know him.”

He looked at me unbelievingly.

“Please tell me… why is he here? “ I was almost pleading for a reply.

“He is our guru’s guru”, was all he said.


I felt faint as I turned to leave. Here I was, full of admiration for B.K.S. Iyengar. And of course, for all the right reasons. But, we had actually shared the same guru! How much more unworthy could I have gotten? That, in all those intervening years I had not recognized the value of the instruction that I had received, or the person who had taught me, dismissing him as a crochety old man who had been a friend of my father’s?"

Pattabhi Jois' ongoing relationship with Krishnamacharya - PLUS Workshop Conference with Saraswati

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If Krishnamacharya was giving giving Saraswati a teaching certificate based on an examination of the Vinyasa count in 1975 it suggests that Krishnamacharya continued to see this as a relevant approach to practice and that he was supportive of Pattabhi Jois' teaching methodology. 


I stumbled upon an interview withPattabhi Jois' daughter  Saraswati where she mentions that she received a teaching certificate from Krishnamacharya in 1975. I must have come across mention of this several times but it only just registered, it suggests an ongoing relationship between the Jois family and Krishnamacharya after Krishnamacharya  left Mysore. This shouldn't be a surprise of course Pattabhi Jois had been one of Krishnamacharya's senior students and if we take Hassan into account, no doubt his oldest. However, the only mention I had  come across of their ongoing relationship was a story from Manju where he mentions His father taking a couple of his western students to meet Krishnamacharya ( trying to remember who it was), Manju had come along and mentioned that Pattabhi Jois had pretty much snubbed them.

After a little digging it turned out that Pattabhi Jois' wife Amma, his first 'student', had also been given certification by Krishnamacharya, a pattern emerges. Had Manju also been to visit Krishnamacharya to receive certification I wonder, and was that why Pattabhi Jois had taken one or more of his early Western students along to Krishnamacharya, in the hope of them being offered certification or was that perhaps the interpretation Krishnamacharya had come to (whether correctly or incorrectly) and why he appeared to snub Pattabhi Jois and the students. Had Krishnamacharya considered it inappropriate, was it after this that Pattabhi Jois began to offer certification himself?

Here's the certification mentioned by Saraswati in the interview as well as the link.


“In 1975, my father taught me to teach. I also took examinations with my father's guru Krishnamacharya, and received a certificate. When my family first went to America, I stayed home and cooked”.

http://www.yogacitynyc.com/articles/WeeklyDetails/255


And here's mention of Amma's teaching certificate from Krishnamacharya as mentioned on the KPJAYI website.


“Amma was Guruji’s first Yoga student, and, according to him, she learned up through the advanced series very well. Krishnamacharya himself once tested her on the specific vinyasas of the asanas, calling out the numbers, which she had then to demonstrate quickly. Very pleased with her performance, he gave her a teaching certificate”



"They had three children – Manju, Saraswathi and Ramesh – each who became great yoga teachers themselves. Amma was Guruji’s first yoga student, and was also given a teaching certificate by Krishnamacharya".

http://kpjayi.org/biographies/k-pattabhi-jois


But it gets better, I found a barely viewed video ( or rather audio attached to a slideshow) of a workshop conference Saraswati gave in Kuala Lumpa where she again mentions the certification. later she's asked about the examination, remember this was in 1975 when Krishnamacharya was teaching Vinyasa Krama to Ramaswamni, Desikachar... Mohan. Saraswati mentions that the examination Krishnamacharya gave her was based on the names of the asana as well as, get this, the vinyasa's to and from them. Krishnamacharya supposedly asked her to do Navasana say and then asked her the number of vinyasas and which vinyasa she was in at the time etc. Here's the video I'll see about transcribing the relevant parts in the next couple of days but there are two mentions in the first fifteen minutes.


I'd asked Ramaswami once about the vinyasa's to and from an asana and he said that even though in Vinyasa Krama one might move form one asana directly into the next variation of the asna, leading inot another asana in a series or rather subroutine, the vinyasa cound was always implied, suggesting that one could still take any asana and begin and end at standing.


If Krishnamacharya was giving giving Saraswati a teaching certificate based on an examination of the Vinyasa count in 1975 it suggests that Krishnamacharya continued to see this as a relevant approach to practice and that he was supportive of Pattabhi Jois' teaching methodology. 

Although he may perhaps have disagreed with the extent to which Pattabhi Jois was teaching non Indians.

As  suspected, both the early and latter teaching methodologies seem to be constant with each other and no doubt complimentary.

Here's then a link to an earlier post

One approach to learning the Ashtanga Sanskrit Vinyasa Count..... Sanskrit Numbers and Vinyasa chart with states of asana indicated plus 'meaning of asana'

What practice feels like: John Cage ASLP ( As slow as possible) and played as fast as possible

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Practice, today feels a little like this



but used to feel like....





A Primary and Middle group asana practice along the lines of...


is probably about right (for me personally).

 ''The cadences and everything disappeared, but the flavour remained. You can recognise it as eighteenth-century music; but it's suddenly brilliant in a new way. It is because each sound vibrates from itself, not from a theory.'' John Cage



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Advanced reminded me a little of Calder ( in a good way).





Note: in the 1930/40s ( Mysore years) Krishnamacharya presented asana in three groups Primary, middle, Advanced http://grimmly2007.blogspot.jp/2012/05/complete-asana-table-from.html

What does Intermediate and Advanced Series Standing look like? Sharath, Tim Feldmann, Joey Miles.

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Sharath

UPDATE: This post doesn't really work, the idea was to show just the Sury Namaskara's and Standing sequences of  practitioners who are practicing Intermediate and Advanced series.

Rather than focus on the advanced series postures themselves I wonted to focus instead on how an 'advanced' practitioner approaches their standing, the same postures we practice everyday whichever series we happen to practice.

But that's still not it, not really what I was after. What I would really like are videos of those who have been practicing for thirty, forty years rather than (merely) ten or twenty, even if they are now only practicing Primary again or even better have only ever practiced Primary. Would love to get my hands on a video of Tim Miller's current Sury or Standing or Nancy's, David Williams, Chucks"s say, or how about Richard freeman's current, day in day out, meat n potato Standing sequence, those would be nice to see. It's hard to find a video that doesn't stress/feature the floaty Matrix jump back to standing, seems to appear in our sury's around the ten year spot (guilty as charged) my guess is that after twenty years or so you drop that again and go back to the most efficient sury you've ever practiced.
There's sharath of course, never one to worry about the fancy flourishes nor seemingly distracted by an obsession with alignment, his videos are for me are about efficiency ( and any alignment arising naturally from the breath).

Anyway here's the post as I wrote it last night

Pattabhi Jois

Jessica Walden and what she does with the breath almost makes me want to reconsider my position on the Ashtanga Advanced series, almost but not quite. I very much doubt I'll bother practicing it again (never say never), come to think of it I barely bother with the second half of Intermediate anymore....  or much of Primary for that matter, around ten postures a practice taken long and slow seems plenty at the moment (except for Fridays obviously). This isn't so much because I'm getting older but more because of my interest in slowing the breath, introducing kumbhaka and longer stays, there's just less time if I want to follow my practice with pranayama, pratyahara and a sit. There's precedent it seems, so perhaps not so strange....

Manju Jois: Well for us it was fun to see my father doing yoga, putting himself in all these postures. You know it was really amazing. He used to pick a posture sometimes and he would like to stay in that posture for a long time. And that’s how he used to practice. And that’s how he started telling us to do that. There’s no need to do millions of postures, just try to master one at a time then you can go to the next one. I really enjoyed watching my father doing yoga. Sometimes we all used do it together too: me and my sister and my father.  LINK TO FULL INTERVIEW HERE


Above Krishnamacharya teaching Standing postures


Supposedly Pattabhi Jois said

"Primary series is for everybody, 2nd series for teachers and Advanced series for demonstration."

It's probably the only saying of his that  doesn't cause me to inwardly groan when I hear it repeated, usually to justify a lazy position or lack of argument. Still, those who end up practicing Advanced A or 3rd  series have usually been practicing for quite some time, I might not be that interested in the series proper but how they approach their Standing, now there's something I like to see. I'm not talking about the floaty Marix bits but the approach to standing of somebody who has been getting on the mat day in day out for years, whichever series they end up practicing. Nice then of Purple valley to divide their videos up so we can settle down and  focus on standing, here practiced by David Robson (with commentary), Tim Feldmann and Joey Mills.

krishnamacharya from Yogasanagalu

The music in the latter two though, really, was that necessary? Call me a purist but what was wrong with the breath, it's a breathing practice after all.

First up David Robson

 




Tim.


And here's Joey





Sharath in his advanced DVD ( filmed in Movember perhaps), Sury's and Standing run up to 13 minutes then you might want to skip to the 54 minute mark for a look at his finishing.






Krishnamacharya, some Standing postures

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